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and now

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well the forums that formed off the

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are wild they're woolly they're wacky

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they're

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contentious i've never seen it like this

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before we've had pretty crazy but in the

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wake of the appearance of dr david

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jacobs on the power cast last week it

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has really gotten bent out of shape it

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started before his appearance and what's

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funny is he was on the show a few years

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ago and the response was pretty normal

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in that two or three years things have

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festered

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to the point where he is extremely

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polarizing and what surprises me here

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in his new book

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he's expanding on a concept he first

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voiced back in what the late 1990s

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about the purpose of the hybrid aliens

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you know i think it was a little earlier

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than that but yeah it's been almost 20

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years right so that being the case why

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suddenly has it become so contentious

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well i think people are more informed

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i've had more time to think about it

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have watched a barrage of questionable

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claims that have come down i i think

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since uh the mid to late 90s and then

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all of a sudden abductions kind of you

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know took a back seat i noticed that uh

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in the years preceding the demise of bud

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hopkins you know physical health it just

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seemed to kind of fade from the

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limelight for a number of years and

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and now we're seeing kind of a

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resurgence but with a new twist and i

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think people just i think they just have

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had enough of a lot of anecdotal

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information that's been

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coalesced together and

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sci-fi sounding scenarios uh proposed i

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i just think people

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people are a little bit more polarized

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you know a minority who's in a

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position of questioning this type of

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work and these types of conclusions

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while the vast majority of people will

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buy anything that comes down the pike

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because it might conform to their their

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worst fears their their you know their

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hopes their fears their predisposed

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opinions about things and

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we have an audience that

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for the most part i think is

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is the former people that are more

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critical open-minded but skeptical and

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it takes a lot to convince them of the

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reality of something and when you have

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someone who just you know refuses to

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attempt to you know use technology uh to

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use diagnostic science and and

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these types of tools that could could

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easily if this is real provide the kind

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of you know evidence that would uh put

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all the naysayers back in their in their

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place and

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you know that's just not happening i

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think we're seeing uh i don't know it's

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almost like the the decline and and

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death of abduction research uh in its

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you know form and i think we're going to

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different types of uh

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methodologies different types of

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approaches uh gaining more and more

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uh favor uh within the community the

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investigative community and i think

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people are going to start getting more

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creative with it because it's just like

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ufology in general uh the abduction

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realm has been spinning its wheels uh

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for decades and i just don't see that

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old paradigm

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continuing on much longer gene i really

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i really think that we need new

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approaches creative thinking i mean i

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sound like a broken record and

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everybody's heard me say this time and

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time again but it's true i mean we need

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to tear this thing down like greg said

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and you know almost start from scratch

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yes and certainly in this case the most

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important questions we asked of dr

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jacobs were the ones about monitoring

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surveillance

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and then it follows do genetic testing

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because so many of his reports

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involve some kind of sexual interaction

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otherwise how do you produce

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hybrid aliens well genetic testing would

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certainly be important

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and if someone claims they've been

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attacked by aliens

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i don't know do a rape kit i know i made

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reference to this very

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polarizing issue

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about dr jacobs asking one abductee for

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one of her pieces of underwear i guess

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to do dna testing for why else would you

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do that

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and then one listener got so bent out of

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shape that person said they would never

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listen to the power cast again because i

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wrote that one sentence about doing

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genetic testing yeah it's

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very easy out there crazy world

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volcanic response i've never seen a

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thread

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build upon itself so quickly and you

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know it's up around 300 posts already in

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just a matter of days that's that's

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pretty interesting that it really did

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strike a a chord out there and of course

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we're being taken the task for even

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having him on the show

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and yet i've been getting feedback from

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one scientist in particular who um you

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know is courageous enough to get

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involved in in doing some

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survey work with abductees uh i think uh

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he's he's approaching it from a very

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interesting new perspective and he said

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hey you know you were really polite but

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you asked some really

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important probing questions and his

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responses and

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in his uh critique

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his responses were feeble

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and he was putting it kindly i think

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according to him

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one important thing here is after the

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jacobs did say he would accept working

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with outsiders in the sense of trying to

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do some kind of scientific verification

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i would hope out there if we have any

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private detectives security experts

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people like that

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who would let us know and we'll get you

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in touch with dr david jacobs and we'll

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hold his feet to the fire and if people

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are saying look we will set up the

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equipment

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to do surveillance i think at that point

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it's up to him to

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respond in the affirmative i mean i

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understand about privacy concerns i

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understand about the fact that the

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people the subjects

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of that surveillance would have to agree

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to it but still let's make that effort

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speaking of making efforts

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there's an article

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that was published in mother jones

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magazine and i'll read you a couple of

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sentences from it because this goes to

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what you're trying to do which is to do

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some kind of surveillance to

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record paranormal events

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it says a group of scientists and

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academics from around the world has

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launched a new effort called ufo data

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which stands for ufo detection and

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tracking to apply some rigorous

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an all-volunteer project of people from

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and one of the members of this group is

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leslie kane of course

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who's

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an investigative journalist who has done

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a lot to advance research into ufos i am

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hoping

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something like this can be set up

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because again it follows from what

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you're trying to do with your san luis

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valley camera project and that is to do

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some active

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with scientific instrumentation

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to research ufos get past the stories

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we have enough stories out there

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i mean at one point i remember back in

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the old days

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of jim mosley saucer news

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where he admitted to me you know i'm

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tired

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of hearing about sightings it's enough

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already we hear about sightings all the

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time what about the evidence

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where do we take it in fact that's a

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question we're going to ask our guest

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today who is also getting huge numbers

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of questions from our listeners stanton

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friedman and he's been involved in ufo

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research actively since the 1970s

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learned all that much i do know that

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[Music]

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so when you get to be our age or stanton

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friedman's age

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you start talking about your ailments

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you talk about other things too but that

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doesn't get to be very friendly

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so what we're learning here is that i

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gather

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80 is the new 50.

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is that how it is

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sounds good to me

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but you

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obviously had a little heart attack last

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year but you're getting along pretty

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well now i'm getting along very well and

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haven't used any nitro and i was bored

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in the hospital for several days i read

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a few books

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you know nothing useful going on and

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i've been traveling quite a bit i was

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off to england a few weeks ago i was off

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to california at the mufon conference

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and remember i'm on the east coast so

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it's a long way in either direction

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and i was down in

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massachusetts and exeter they had the

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50th anniversary of the incident at

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exeter

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conference and stuff and so it doesn't

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sound like you're slowing down at all

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no i'm not you know as long as

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i'm keeping busy i think i'm healthier

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so uh

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look that was the first time i was in

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the hospital in 79 years and 11 months

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wow there's a very interesting point

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stan that you raised

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and that is this

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that

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people who are forced to retire

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and give up their life's work

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and stop doing the things that really

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keep them going and help them get up in

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the morning

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those people don't live i think quite as

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long

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and i know when my father was forced to

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retire from the new york city transit

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system

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he was 70.

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now he found other things to do and he

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hung out for

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another nine years or so

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but i can't help feeling you know what

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if they kept him on for

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another five years or so

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well he would have been over a hundred

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today but

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he would have hung out a lot longer so

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that's it might reveal my age which i

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won't do here people are surprised they

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say gee

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you look a lot older no they don't say

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that

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[Laughter]

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stan we're going to talk about a lot of

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things about what's happening in ufo

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research

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but as you know on last week's episode

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we had a discussion with dr david jacobs

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and his theory is that

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there are hybrid aliens infiltrating our

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society

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it was one of the most polarizing shows

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we've had on the parent cast

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in recent months our forums were filled

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with pro and con comments

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really i didn't hear the show no but you

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know about dr jacobs what is your

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assessment of that about his work well

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dave has worked hard he was a pioneer in

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actually doing a phd theses about ufos

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there have been more than a dozen since

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then but

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i got wary several times one was that he

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dismissed the roswell incident because

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the government couldn't have kept it

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secret hundreds of people would have to

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have known

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well there are loads of programs in

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which thousands of people knew about a

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secret and it wasn't released

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so

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i don't think his knowledge of security

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is very good

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i'll mention the stealth aircraft for

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example spent 10 billion dollars over 10

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years in secret the manhattan project

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the equivalent of more than that back a

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lot earlier of course

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uh

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and there are many other programs that

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corona spy satellite our first uh

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spy satellite got more data about soviet

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military installations than all the u2

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flights remember them gary powers et

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cetera

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then all of those flights put together

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the first corona spy satellite

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outbid them

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it was a tremendous tremendous

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importance to us to have a good

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evaluation of what the heck the russians

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were doing because we could see it

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the first one got more data than all

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those youtube flights that preceded it

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it wasn't released that we had such a

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thing until 30 years later

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and incidentally as an example of the

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the clout that you have when you're

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working on highly classified programs

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the first 12 launches

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were unsuccessful

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but they still kept going and the 13th

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was the winner

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and they they released that we had such

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so you know that was bigger than roswell

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in terms of cash and effort and so forth

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i i still get a kick out of how they got

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the film back

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kodak had developed new film

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more sensitive and so forth they

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deorbited the film container from the

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satellite and it was caught over the

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pacific by an airplane

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in effect with a big net

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very successfully

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uh they did it over the pacific because

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they didn't want anybody to know what

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they were doing of course but uh and

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certainly the american people didn't

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know what they were doing i i think dave

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when he

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he was uh hypnotizing uh a potential

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abductee over the phone

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well that bothered me a lot i didn't get

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into that he also does it by instant

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messaging by skype i didn't know that

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and neither one i i once took a course

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on hypnosis my son was a hemophiliac and

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there was talk that you could control

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bleeding to some extent

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with hypnosis which makes a certain

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amount of sense and

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so i took this course and in the course

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the professor

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uh regressed a girl in the class she was

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probably 30 and he took her back to 25

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20 15 you know voice changing at 15 and

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stuff

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and he took her back to her eighth

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birthday which should have been safe

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after all

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and she broke into tears her father had

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died on her eighth birthday

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and i'll tell you i was glad he was

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doing the hypnosis and not me

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because he was able to get her out of it

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and you know take care of things so uh

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how do you do this you know when you're

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not there

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and uh over the phone you can't tell

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what's happening and can't see the

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person anything like that and i so i

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don't believe uh that

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it's all in order to have

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uh infiltration by hybrids

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uh look when i see what they do with the

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nuclear weapons on top of missiles

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they have a little more down the earth

551
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stuff than that to be concerned about

552
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and you know what bothers me is that i

553
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don't see many people thinking through

554
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why would aliens come here anyway

555
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and yeah you know you can talk about

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graduate students doing their thesis

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research on the development of a

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primitive society

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that's one thing but i think the bigger

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picture is

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that from an alien viewpoint we are a

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primitive society whose major activity

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is tribal warfare

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it's easy to forget

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especially for younger people

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because they didn't they weren't alive

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at the time then in world war ii we nice

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earthlings killed 50 million people

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we destroyed 1700 cities by bombing uh

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of course

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uh

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and after the war

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we have set off two thousand nuclear

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warheads only two on people thank

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goodness

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but anybody looking at us would say holy

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cow they've joined the nuclear club

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and you know our first h-bomb was 1952

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released the energy of 10 million tons

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tons of tnt the russian sent one off

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that was 50 million tons

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uh you know you put one in the middle of

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new jersey and you'll have fires from

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new york to philadelphia

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we know the background here but i think

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the question i want pursue very quickly

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before we go on to other things and

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we're going to break in just a moment

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and that is here

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basically and fundamentally

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dr david jacobs is not producing any

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evidence except

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what abductor you supposedly tell him

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that there are hybrid aliens and what

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their intent might be let's get into

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more of this in a moment and a lot more

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with gene and chris you're in the

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[Music]

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this is kurt 70 author of ufo mysteries

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and you're listening to the paracast

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we have stanton friedman with us we're

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talking about the state of ufo research

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starting with abductions

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so you get the point here

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that there's really no confirmation that

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anything that

723
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,600
david jacobs is reporting is true right

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well i would say that in terms of trying

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to intuit the uh the goal the

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reason for their being here and the one

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word i want to throw in

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is

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quarantine us

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and the reason i mention nuclear weapons

731
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is not only because we're bad guys but

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if you have fusion technology you can go

733
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to the stars

734
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,279
that makes us

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us a threat to the neighborhood look how

736
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:57,840
little time it took

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from our discovery of fusion in 1938 and

738
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,159
the first atomic bomb in 1945 the first

739
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fusion device in 1952

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that's quite a long time

741
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so i worked on a study of fusion

742
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propulsion for deep space travel

743
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,720
sponsored by the united states air force

744
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,320
incidentally they spent nine million

745
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dollars on at aerojet general nucleonics

746
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,760
and we realized that fusion propulsion

747
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,480
for deep space travel was feasible now

748
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,960
it cost a ton of money but all big

749
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,200
programs cost a lot of money you don't

750
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,960
get this stuff for free

751
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,799
to give you an example of that and some

752
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,240
people look at me when i say that what

753
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,600
do you mean a ton of money sam i said

754
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,200
well look here's an example when i

755
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worked at general electric aircraft

756
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nuclear propulsion department

757
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,640
just outside cincinnati ohio back in

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1958

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that's a long time ago we spent 100

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million dollars that year we employed

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3500 people

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of whom 1100 were engineers and

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scientists

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we're not talking about six professors

765
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and twenty grad students for goodness

766
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sakes so there are big programs to and

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00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,960
we never flew a nuclear-powered aircraft

768
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incidentally

769
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uh now you can go to the navy and you

770
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say well look at the success they've had

771
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,559
yeah they did we had nuclear submarines

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from 1956

773
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or so on

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first our nuclear-powered aircraft

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carriers are remarkable

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you want an example of fancy technology

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that most people don't know anything

778
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about they can operate for 18

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years without refueling think about that

780
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for a minute that's very impressive you

781
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don't need to go to the gas station you

782
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know what you're telling me though

783
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if i was e.t we're a threat and i come

784
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to earth

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i gotta be real careful now what if e.t

786
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wanted to take us over

787
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would they do it

788
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overtly with guns blazing or they would

789
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,880
they try to infiltrate us quietly that's

790
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:55,520
of course the dr david jacobs theory

791
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that all this is

792
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a stealth attempt to take over the

793
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planet earth rather than do it overtly

794
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you do it quietly till one day you wake

795
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,679
up and aliens are in control

796
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and some people think we're already

797
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doing that in our government we have

798
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some pretty crazy people there running

799
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government so maybe that's the case the

800
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key here that i worry about abduction

801
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,720
research

802
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,720
is the evidence right now all we have is

803
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,880
anecdotal evidence we have what people

804
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,799
supposedly recall

805
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,360
from hypnotic sessions and i worry about

806
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:29,279
doing it on the phone i worry about

807
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,240
doing it by skype yes but i would point

808
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,600
out that there is an active effort

809
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,480
kathleen martin betty hill's niece

810
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,320
and i are co-authors and a couple of

811
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books and stuff we've worked together on

812
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:43,200
a number of things

813
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and she has put together a survey

814
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,360
of supposed abductees to see if there

815
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:51,279
are commonalities

816
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,039
a high percentage

817
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,080
describe similar kinds of things

818
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,159
it's not random in other words it's not

819
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,919
equally likely that you'll get this that

820
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,840
or the other answer to the question

821
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,080
about what's going on and do you ever

822
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,000
have any paranormal events in your life

823
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:12,080
incidentally you can pick a theme close

824
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,200
to home

825
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,679
and a much higher percentage of

826
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,840
abductees have than they generally had a

827
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:20,399
control sample and a regular sample you

828
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,600
know abductees and then non-abductees

829
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,200
and there were definite differences in

830
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,600
how they responded to the long-form

831
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,120
questionnaire

832
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,760
so we are getting other research and

833
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:33,679
kathy's got her hands full there's a lot

834
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going on look the real problem as you

835
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:39,440
know as david knows certainly is that if

836
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you're wary of making a report of a ufo

837
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,880
sighting how much more wary

838
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
of saying oh by the way i was abducted

839
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uh when i check my audiences after my

840
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lectures

841
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,480
all over the world

842
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,720
typically 10 percent believe they have

843
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,200
seen a ufo much to their surprise you

844
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,200
see how the hands go up very hesitantly

845
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,519
and then oh a lot of others

846
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,960
but then i asked how many of you

847
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:05,600
reported what you saw ninety percent of

848
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,360
the hands go down

849
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:09,039
and when people talk to me the reason

850
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:10,159
they

851
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,960
okay so that follows then

852
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:21,279
that those who report abductions

853
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,720
are going to be a fraction of that

854
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,559
number because it could be obviously a

855
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,720
very embarrassing thing to talk about

856
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,080
yeah especially if the encounter

857
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,760
is describing

858
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,840
rather invasive behavior but the other

859
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,159
question we raised last week and maybe

860
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,480
we could respond to that and that is

861
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,600
with regard to actually finding evidence

862
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,960
what about

863
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,880
working with people who have frequent

864
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,559
abductions and setting up surveillance

865
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,159
equipment

866
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,760
that's been tried on a number of

867
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:52,240
occasions and hasn't been successful why

868
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,600
is that

869
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,679
maybe because the aliens are smarter

870
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:58,000
than we give them credit for so how does

871
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,360
that work out

872
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,240
well telepathy looks good to me

873
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,679
uh and i'm sure

874
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,120
i don't know what david said obviously i

875
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,440
didn't hear the program but i'm sure

876
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,960
that's the primary means of

877
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,399
communication

878
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,720
and so if you know you're sitting there

879
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,640
and there's a camera hidden someplace

880
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,880
and admittedly today cameras are pretty

881
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,399
darn small

882
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:20,720
you know you can hide them

883
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,600
and recording devices and so forth

884
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:25,840
then you know about it that means your

885
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,240
doctor could know about it too

886
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,159
so i'm i'm not guaranteeing you that's

887
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,919
what's going on

888
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,840
i'm just saying that's a likely

889
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,360
possibility

890
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,679
these guys are pretty sharp

891
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,559
so if we set the cameras they'd find a

892
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,840
way to

893
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,919
turn them off redirect them or something

894
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,240
like that is that the point yeah

895
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,840
well that would be data right there i

896
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,120
mean that that would be important

897
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,679
information to uh

898
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,519
and and maybe it's happened

899
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,200
but i don't think they'd send a signal

900
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,960
that says hey we're recording you

901
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,760
and uh you know the aliens say no you're

902
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,799
not

903
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,720
they're off because of the machine who

904
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,960
knows what's going on what you're saying

905
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,280
here is that this has been tried

906
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,960
and has failed yes

907
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,800
that's right is the reason that they

908
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:14,800
accidentally or deliberately turn it off

909
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,679
what's the reason that it fails

910
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,079
well because it's turned off you're not

911
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,720
no no recording no data

912
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,560
look if they can stop automobiles for

913
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,560
goodness sakes which has happened many

914
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,760
times

915
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,159
you know uh kupos published a study what

916
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,119
there are a few hundred incidents

917
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,679
of stoppage of i'll call them internal

918
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,399
combustion engines to include more than

919
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:40,480
just cars you know tractors or whatever

920
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,550
that takes a certain amount of

921
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,520
sophisticated technology

922
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:49,359
and if they have telepathy which we know

923
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,960
they do from a zillion sources

924
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,839
uh

925
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:56,240
you know put the two together

926
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,440
uh

927
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,079
we're not dealing with idiots

928
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,560
and it seems to me generally speaking

929
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,760
that the first rule for any explorer

930
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:07,280
adventurer

931
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visiting fireman whatever you want to

932
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,520
call them is make sure you get home

933
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,599
uh you know that's then

934
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:15,200
i won't say the prime directive that

935
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:20,390
so

936
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,920
coming here

937
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besides wanting to make sure that the

938
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,200
idiots don't come out bothering them uh

939
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,560
look we every nation on earth has an air

940
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,160
defense command

941
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,599
what it's probably called different

942
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,000
things in other places but the idea is

943
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,760
you don't want to surprise attack from

944
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,400
your neighbors

945
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,400
we had one pearl harbor that was quite

946
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:48,240
enough

947
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so

948
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,119
that's the first thing you don't want

949
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,440
earthlings

950
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,040
look when i say we're a primitive

951
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,000
society this year we will spend a

952
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:00,880
trillion dollars on things military on

953
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,440
this planet how many thousand kids died

954
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,839
needlessly yesterday of preventable

955
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:08,160
disease and starvation we're not nice

956
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,440
guys

957
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:11,040
but there are other reasons you can

958
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,960
think of aliens coming here they may

959
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,040
have been stealing the goodies

960
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,359
uh mining for example remember all those

961
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gold miners that went off to california

962
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and off to alaska and

963
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any other place where there was a hint

964
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of gold

965
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there were huge numbers of people when

966
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it was difficult to travel you know you

967
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didn't hop on your nearest airplane to

968
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go

969
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to california it was a long haul

970
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back in 1849

971
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let's do our break here stan we'll get

972
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back to this

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we have stanton friedman more to come

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1079
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listeners i'm going to ask just one

1080
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question to backtrack on what you said

1081
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before then we'll move on

1082
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and that is with regard to some kind of

1083
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monitoring or surveillance equipment so

1084
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the point being here

1085
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is that every time this technique

1086
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has been tried with abductees those

1087
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having repeated experiences

1088
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something sabotages the effort

1089
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it never works is that correct that's

1090
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right

1091
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,359
as far as i know if you know different

1092
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,680
i'd like to hear about it

1093
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:47,920
okay there are other reasons for coming

1094
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here besides our potential for attacking

1095
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them

1096
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,400
uh the earth is the densest planet in

1097
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the solar system i don't mean the people

1098
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,040
that's probably true too

1099
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,040
they're more heavy metals here than any

1100
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:03,040
other planet in the solar system you say

1101
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,319
who cares

1102
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,160
well some of the heavy metals are very

1103
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rare and have very special properties

1104
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,520
i'm talking about osmium rhenium

1105
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,960
iridium

1106
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,599
uh osmium is twice as dense as lead

1107
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,119
incidentally

1108
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:19,119
you know heavy as lead light is ball so

1109
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well

1110
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but it's not the heaviest thing around i

1111
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like unobtainium

1112
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,150
these metals look you know when uranium

1113
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was used for 100 years ago yellow

1114
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coloring agent for tableware

1115
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plates pottery you know it's illegal to

1116
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do that now because it's radioactive and

1117
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you might get some washed off when you

1118
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you soap on it and so forth and so on

1119
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:46,319
but still

1120
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:47,119
uh

1121
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,630
that that shows you how ignorant we were

1122
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,880
[Music]

1123
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,160
uh

1124
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,160
you know as another example of that two

1125
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,839
of the greatest scientists

1126
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,520
albert einstein

1127
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,599
and lord rutherford of england

1128
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,000
both said

1129
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,680
that they didn't see any way that you

1130
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,280
could get any useful energy out of the

1131
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,720
nucleus you know equals mc squared

1132
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,960
uh and it was only when somebody found

1133
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,359
out in 1938 that gee you get

1134
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,920
more than one neutron

1135
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,079
when an isotope

1136
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,480
an atom fissions

1137
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:23,200
and maybe didn't get a chain reaction

1138
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,079
ah

1139
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,800
and so that led to the nuclear age

1140
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,240
so

1141
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:30,000
there are things that

1142
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,440
we don't know we are ignorant

1143
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,280
and people don't like me to say that but

1144
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,720
we are

1145
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:38,880
progress comes from doing things

1146
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,880
differently in an unpredictable way

1147
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,839
and

1148
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,079
when i mean unpredictable who knows

1149
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,520
which direction you're going to go with

1150
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,560
the latest study

1151
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,480
but

1152
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,280
we may represent a different kind of

1153
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,560
thing they may have been stealing the

1154
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,200
goodies here for years and we're fouling

1155
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,520
up the planet

1156
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,760
many reports i presume you've had

1157
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,040
somebody on the air talking about

1158
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:07,359
underwater ufos

1159
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:08,720
uh

1160
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,119
what are they doing down there

1161
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,079
having a cool dinner at a fish dinner

1162
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,680
or maybe they're stealing the diamonds

1163
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:20,160
that washed in off africa

1164
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,040
or

1165
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,520
all kinds of other things

1166
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,400
so we got to be really careful about

1167
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,480
thinking that we know what these guys

1168
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:30,640
are up to the only thing they're doing

1169
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,280
when you've got a bus coming this way

1170
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,200
you can have people a small earth

1171
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,000
excursion modules on the big mothership

1172
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,920
that are doing all kinds of things why

1173
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:42,160
waste the trip

1174
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:47,910
let's not put the cart before the horse

1175
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,920
here let's go into the theories and how

1176
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:53,280
we get there

1177
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,079
so

1178
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,920
there's a question that's been raised

1179
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,880
from time to time and that is looking at

1180
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:01,839
ufo research in the original

1181
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,760
kenneth arnold's sighting in 1947.

1182
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,359
i remember it well no i don't you'll

1183
00:45:09,630 --> 00:45:09,200
remember it better than i do i don't

1184
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,640
either

1185
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,040
[Laughter]

1186
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:14,560
you're quite young then in any case 13 i

1187
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,359
was bar mitzvah that year please

1188
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,960
okay

1189
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,200
so the year you were bar mitzvahed

1190
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,760
the ufos came down significant i don't

1191
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,480
know

1192
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,520
but

1193
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:28,319
what have we learned

1194
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,200
positively about ufos since then

1195
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,480
how far have we advanced

1196
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:39,520
it depends on who you mean by we

1197
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,480
uh

1198
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,400
you know i don't have access to the

1199
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:45,280
wreckage recovered at roswell or aztec

1200
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,920
or the plains of san agustin

1201
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,800
uh or in pennsylvania there

1202
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,119
uh so i don't know what we've learned

1203
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,240
but i working with far out materials for

1204
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,400
my time in industry

1205
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,359
crazy stuff but exciting stuff i don't

1206
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,359
have access to any of that information

1207
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:06,079
although i i'll give you a hint

1208
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,280
i i if the saucer crashes say it roswell

1209
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,839
you distribute the pieces and there were

1210
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,520
a lot of little pieces

1211
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,119
to your best

1212
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,079
highly secure labs with

1213
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,839
lives with high level security

1214
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,760
clearances and the first question you

1215
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,240
ask is what the heck is this stuff

1216
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,680
you don't have a guy wearing a gun and

1217
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,680
he has no need to know for that let him

1218
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,760
think it's from a spy who knows

1219
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:31,040
and he comes back to you and says you

1220
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,079
know i don't know where you got this

1221
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,200
stuff but it's a combination of sumerium

1222
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,720
and cobalt

1223
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,599
why did anybody put those two together

1224
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,680
not your problem you send it off

1225
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,040
elsewhere and you say i want you to look

1226
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,520
at the electric and magnetic

1227
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,400
and nuclear properties of this stuff

1228
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,000
and the guy comes back and says you know

1229
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,160
i don't know where he got this stuff but

1230
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,560
i measured the highest magnetic moment

1231
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,520
from any material i've ever tested

1232
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,079
make a great permanent magnet

1233
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,160
and pretty soon ghetto blasters were

1234
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,640
using fancy permanent magnets made out

1235
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,640
of sumerian and cobalt

1236
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,599
i say that because i was doing a weekly

1237
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,640
radio broadcast back in the 80s on

1238
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,760
science

1239
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,800
for a local cbc radio station

1240
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:17,839
and

1241
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,079
better permanent magnets

1242
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,640
neodymium iron boron i'm not making

1243
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,560
those up those are real

1244
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,599
and

1245
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,880
at the end of the article said the

1246
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,520
original work on sumerian cobalt

1247
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,200
permanent magnets

1248
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,040
was done at wright-patterson air force

1249
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:40,160
base and i just laughed like that we

1250
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,000
gotta cut to the chase here because we

1251
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,160
have a lot of questions all right so

1252
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,000
you're saying here that

1253
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:48,800
this material may be the result of what

1254
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,160
we discovered from alien technology then

1255
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,030
why not and as a matter of fact let me

1256
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,400
give you another example in my book

1257
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,000
flying saucers in science there's a

1258
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,560
picture of me with my hand on the apollo

1259
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,640
12 command module you know it's a big

1260
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,400
round object

1261
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,359
it looks more like a flying saucer than

1262
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,599
like a high-speed aircraft

1263
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,359
because i always learned when i was

1264
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,200
young that you need a pointy nose sharp

1265
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,839
wings high streamlining for a high-speed

1266
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,400
object in the air in the atmosphere

1267
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,640
and the return module the apollo command

1268
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,720
market comes back at close to 25 000

1269
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,000
miles an hour

1270
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,240
and it's a round blunt body well i

1271
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:30,880
discovered the air force was doing

1272
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:33,599
in 47 they were doing

1273
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,040
a wind tunnel test on round blunt bodies

1274
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:39,280
would you believe

1275
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:42,160
so we that may be something else we

1276
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,359
learned

1277
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:45,119
and there are probably plenty of others

1278
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,589
we don't know what the classified

1279
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,240
programs have learned

1280
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,400
and they ain't talking to me you're

1281
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,240
david jacobs

1282
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,160
all right but that's speculation at this

1283
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,520
point we're assuming that if a ufo

1284
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,599
crashed at roswell we captured the

1285
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,760
wreckage we're learning things about it

1286
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,280
we're learning things about alien

1287
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,920
technology maybe we're slowly filtering

1288
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,720
that technology into military or

1289
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,200
civilian use that follows

1290
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,920
what philip corso said in the day after

1291
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,520
roswell

1292
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,680
i'm not buying philip corso

1293
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,000
i understand i checked and found he

1294
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,720
wasn't telling the truth about himself

1295
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,480
and that always gets me concerned he

1296
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,599
said he was a member of the national

1297
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,520
security council

1298
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,520
he was not a member and never attended a

1299
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,960
meeting according to the eisenhower

1300
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,319
library

1301
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,839
and he also made claims about what

1302
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,319
happened at fort riley kansas

1303
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:45,760
on july 6 1947.

1304
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,480
and now why the people at roswell i mean

1305
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,559
he supposedly

1306
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,720
was able to look at a box in which there

1307
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,359
was an alien body and blue fluid

1308
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:57,359
and it was his bowling buddy and he let

1309
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,680
him see it now that's a gross violation

1310
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:02,000
of security in the first place

1311
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,880
uh

1312
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,280
in the second place

1313
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,200
why would the people at roswell who

1314
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,839
after all had lots of big airplanes that

1315
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,680
was their role

1316
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,359
the most elite military group in the

1317
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,119
world they dropped the atomic bombs on

1318
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,079
hiroshima nagasaki et cetera

1319
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,319
why would they have put stuff on a truck

1320
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:22,319
if you can put a nuclear weapon on an

1321
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,760
airplane which was the whole point of

1322
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,119
roswell

1323
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,079
then he wouldn't put it on the truck

1324
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:30,880
that's just using this as a metaphor for

1325
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,079
recovering or having evidence of alien

1326
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,079
technology i understand the problems

1327
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,800
with the corso book we know that the

1328
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,880
version that was published is heavily

1329
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,000
edited

1330
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,920
or rewritten from the original which i

1331
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,960
believe is posted online over at

1332
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,160
openminds.tv if you want to look for it

1333
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,760
and see the original version as opposed

1334
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,040
to the one

1335
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:53,440
that was done after

1336
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,720
bill burns

1337
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,920
work with it okay the key here is we're

1338
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,760
speculating heavily

1339
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,640
that

1340
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,400
some of our technology

1341
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:04,960
is reverse engineered alien technology

1342
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:07,520
from a practical standpoint

1343
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,319
if we did recover this technology it

1344
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,319
would make sense that we learned a few

1345
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,880
things from it maybe not so much because

1346
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,480
we're talking about possibly highly

1347
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,440
advanced technology space-faring people

1348
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,760
maybe we learned a few things at the

1349
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:23,119
edges

1350
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,640
but how do we really how do we really

1351
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,480
prove that that's speculation isn't it

1352
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,079
i'm going to have your answer when we

1353
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,160
get to our next segment with stanton

1354
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:32,000
friedman and gene and chris you're in

1355
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:42,630
thank you for listening to gcn

1356
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visit

1357
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were designed with only fashion in mind

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sure to get the protection you deserve

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00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

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00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:04,640
and now

1415
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:07,980
here's gene steinberg

1416
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,349
we have stanton friedman let me remind

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00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:14,960
you that we have another radio show

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plus.powercast.com so my question to

1427
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,800
stanton friedman is

1428
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,119
it is practical and probably quite

1429
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,200
reasonable to speculate that

1430
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,520
if we have access to alien technology

1431
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
some of it is filtered

1432
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,280
into military and or civilian life or

1433
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,280
both okay

1434
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,119
that being the case how do we know that

1435
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,880
how can we prove it how can we determine

1436
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,160
that's true

1437
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,400
i i don't know none of the people who

1438
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,720
know the details are talking as far as i

1439
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,119
have heard whistleblowers if you will i

1440
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,960
haven't heard any of them say i know

1441
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,280
where we got that and it's directly from

1442
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,280
a b c or d

1443
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:12,960
on the other hand

1444
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,079
when you find that the work on sumerian

1445
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:17,839
cobalt was done at wright patterson air

1446
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:20,000
force base

1447
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,920
that's a pretty good hint

1448
00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:23,359
you know early on

1449
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,800
there are a lot of things we don't know

1450
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,119
and can't prove because we don't have

1451
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,400
access

1452
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,160
look one of the frustrations of working

1453
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,680
under security

1454
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,599
is you may find this happened to me when

1455
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,359
i was working on nuclear airplanes i was

1456
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,119
reading classified abstracts and there

1457
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,160
was great work by the navy on nuclear

1458
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,000
radiation shielding

1459
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,319
which is what i was working on

1460
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,480
and i had the right clearance

1461
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,880
i had an acute clearance

1462
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,119
and this was secret restricted data i

1463
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,920
should be able to get that no way jose i

1464
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,440
couldn't get the need to know from the

1465
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,760
navy and you didn't have a private email

1466
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,079
account in those days

1467
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,960
no no no email account that's for sure

1468
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:04,559
but my point is

1469
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,599
uh you don't have access to this stuff

1470
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,000
even if you've got the clearance the

1471
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,640
second step is the need to know

1472
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,599
so if you expect me to produce a paper

1473
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,200
top secret

1474
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:19,359
umbra

1475
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,160
that

1476
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:22,160
lays out what they learned from whom and

1477
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,280
so forth

1478
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,839
don't expect it it's an irrational

1479
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,280
expectation

1480
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,119
okay i'm not expecting it but i'm saying

1481
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,000
this how do you speculate this exists

1482
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,920
and this has happened if you have no

1483
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,680
access to any information unless you

1484
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,200
have a whistleblower

1485
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:40,079
who delivers something you can confirm

1486
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:41,520
to know that they're telling you the

1487
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,400
truth

1488
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,680
well as i say when i find a statement in

1489
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,200
an official

1490
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,880
uh report

1491
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,040
that the work on

1492
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,359
this new and better permanent magnet was

1493
00:56:58,270 --> 00:56:55,359
done at wright-patterson air force base

1494
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:58,280
they were entirely working on

1495
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,799
military-related technology

1496
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,079
and

1497
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,559
i haven't seen any open literature

1498
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,799
that suggests that this was a product

1499
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,880
you know 10 years we've been waiting for

1500
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,599
this to come along

1501
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,319
proof is an elusive phenomena when you

1502
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,400
don't have access

1503
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,480
that's true and also let me give you

1504
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:19,280
another

1505
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:25,359
i went after their top secret umbra

1506
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,640
reports their intelligence work

1507
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:30,559
and they released because of a legal

1508
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,839
action from citizens against ufo secrecy

1509
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,880
uh way back when they released

1510
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,240
156 pages

1511
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,640
of top secret umbra

1512
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,680
nsa ufo documents ufo by their

1513
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,680
definition you know you make requests

1514
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,160
and okay finally they weren't happy

1515
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,760
about it but they finally released it

1516
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,440
the only trouble is you can read one

1517
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,480
sentence per page so i know it's there

1518
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,319
and i know it's from the nsa and i know

1519
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,319
it's about ufos that goes with the

1520
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,040
territory what i ask for and so forth

1521
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,319
and uh

1522
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,559
i have no way to get the rest of that

1523
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,720
and don't tell me erase the white out

1524
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,240
because there's nothing underneath the

1525
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,640
xerox at first they're not stupid

1526
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,799
i mean somebody has suggested that to me

1527
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,559
why don't you just erase the white you

1528
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,280
know break off it doesn't work that way

1529
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:20,000
we can treat the paper and remove the

1530
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:21,040
marking

1531
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:22,960
pen but that's ridiculous

1532
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,160
well yes yes it is ridiculous and uh

1533
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:28,000
people have tried this and it doesn't

1534
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,520
work but

1535
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,440
so i know it's there

1536
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,440
you know can i prove you what's under

1537
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:35,839
the whiteout no of course i can i've got

1538
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,440
the dozens of top secret umbra cia ufo

1539
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,839
documents that goes with my getting the

1540
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,599
data it took two years to get it after

1541
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,599
they were listed on a list that the nsa

1542
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,880
had put on

1543
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,160
and

1544
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,400
they refused to declassify

1545
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,079
you know you can read six words on a

1546
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,280
page my favorite page says deny in toto

1547
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,240
all blacked out underneath that

1548
00:59:02,549 --> 00:59:01,040
uh that's cia and that's old stuff

1549
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:02,559
i mean some people say well there's only

1550
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,680
a little bit

1551
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,520
no this is from back in the 80s for

1552
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,280
goodness sakes

1553
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,119
so there are things that

1554
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,520
we have to say how would you behave now

1555
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:12,559
remember

1556
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,920
back engineering is not a new idea

1557
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,000
if a german airplane crashed in england

1558
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,480
and wasn't blown up by the crash

1559
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,520
uh engineers what took a look at it

1560
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:25,200
looked very carefully at it what can we

1561
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,720
learn what were their tolerances what

1562
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:28,160
materials would they use for this side

1563
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,520
of the other thing

1564
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:31,119
what can we learn

1565
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,559
is there uh

1566
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,520
you know a radar set on board

1567
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,920
let's check these things out but none of

1568
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,839
that was publicized

1569
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,440
no article in the newspaper saying look

1570
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:43,440
what we discovered on that crash german

1571
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,720
airplane

1572
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:46,880
it doesn't work that way

1573
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,680
the classified world is a big one well

1574
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,440
that leads to one of our listener

1575
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,520
questions uh stan

1576
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,079
you know this kind of goes to the the

1577
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,000
heart of need to know

1578
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,000
and this comes from ronalway who posted

1579
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,960
his question at forum.theparacast.com

1580
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,720
where our listeners can ask questions of

1581
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,640
our esteemed guests such as stanton

1582
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:07,680
friedman

1583
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,160
released the yet to be released the

1584
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,960
presidents and ufos i i guess this is a

1585
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,760
book

1586
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,440
do you believe that all the presidents

1587
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,440
during the ufo era have been

1588
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,599
made aware of the truth and have they

1589
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:23,440
shared it with our allies

1590
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,480
and do you believe that the foia program

1591
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,559
or the freedom of information act uh

1592
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,960
request program will ever unearth any

1593
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:32,799
game-changing information

1594
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,839
i would say no on the latter thing do i

1595
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,920
think we've shared it no

1596
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,240
there were strong rivalries during the

1597
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,280
war between the brits it happened on on

1598
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,960
the nuclear side

1599
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:46,799
and we know this because people have

1600
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:49,520
talked long after the war was over

1601
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:52,160
what access do we give the brits for

1602
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:53,359
example

1603
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:56,400
to our nuclear weapons stuff so

1604
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,960
presidents remember the maximum these

1605
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,880
days that a president can stay in office

1606
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:02,160
is eight years

1607
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,240
presidents come and go the intelligence

1608
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,880
agencies go on forever

1609
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,599
and

1610
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,520
with what should i call it fancy fancier

1611
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,280
spying

1612
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,680
with the internet and electronics and

1613
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,079
all this sophisticated stuff

1614
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:18,160
and what the nsa does and all these

1615
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,119
things

1616
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,640
i don't think presidents are given

1617
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,799
access to everything you want

1618
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,400
you don't want him to be caught at a

1619
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:26,559
press conference with a surprise

1620
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:29,760
question that you know he may think

1621
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:32,079
not enough before giving an answer to

1622
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,359
all right so you're saying here

1623
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:35,920
basically the presidents are not

1624
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,040
read in on ufos is that the case i'm

1625
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:41,440
thinking other than maybe president

1626
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:43,839
truman or eisenhower well i think

1627
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,720
eisenhower would have known but because

1628
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:48,559
he was in a different position from

1629
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,880
everybody he knew about for example

1630
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,559
breaking the german codes there's an

1631
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,359
example of a highly classified program

1632
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,440
there were 12 000 people at bletchley

1633
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:01,920
park in england during world war ii

1634
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,119
whose job it was to intercept

1635
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:06,480
decode

1636
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,400
translate and very carefully distribute

1637
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,400
what they found from the german military

1638
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,880
communications great care had to be

1639
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,720
taken so the germans wouldn't think that

1640
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,640
their codes had been compromised they'd

1641
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,920
have changed him and we've been up the

1642
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,240
creek

1643
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,720
eisenhower knew about that stuff

1644
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,799
because he was the

1645
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,480
chief of the

1646
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,400
allied expedition forces whatever

1647
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,720
they're called

1648
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:34,960
and then as president

1649
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,359
uh i think he would have

1650
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,000
i believe that there are

1651
01:02:44,309 --> 01:02:41,599
maybe four

1652
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,319
legitimate mj-12 documents

1653
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,839
and one of them was a briefing for

1654
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,680
president eisenhower

1655
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,000
and i've heard a zillion objections and

1656
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,839
i find that none of them stand up under

1657
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:54,240
careful examination

1658
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:55,040
uh

1659
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,079
so i

1660
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,400
i i think would have been

1661
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:00,559
one exception to that because he worked

1662
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,720
under security uh pretty darn thoroughly

1663
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,119
during the war but what about

1664
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,520
harry truman you're saying that he

1665
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,520
didn't know even though the

1666
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,400
early harry truman i think

1667
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,880
yes i think he knew some

1668
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,480
but that didn't mean he would get

1669
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,079
monthly reports on the latest

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wrote the memo uh you know starting

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where was stanton friedman so we have a

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situation here where maybe

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president truman where the bucks stopped

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knew a little bit eisenhower because of

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his military background no more

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but not so much jfk

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or nixon or ford or

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carter or reagan or any of their

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successors what about

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01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,159
bush especially george h.w bush because

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01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,719
of his former intelligence background i

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01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,080
think uh

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he as director of the central

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intelligence agency

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uh

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might very well have known more than the

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others did

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but i don't anybody who is head of the

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cia

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or nsa or any of these other alphabet

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soup agencies the dia

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all of these guys

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are extraordinarily careful about what

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they say and what they reveal

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they wouldn't get those jobs if they had

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a history of uh opening their mouth when

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they shouldn't

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so yeah i think i i doubt if george bush

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senior told george bush jr

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frankly it's kind of like when people

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looked at the list of mj12 guys i've had

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people say well surely they would have

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told their wives what they did

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nonsense i had a clearance for 14 years

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i never told my wife anything classified

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the best example i know

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the man who headed the manhattan project

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to develop nuclear weapons

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general leslie groves

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on august the 6th

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1945 his wife was given a call by

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somebody at his office at the pentagon

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and he told her he thinks she'd be

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interested

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01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,679
in what would be on the news at noon

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01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,440
that day so she listened he didn't tell

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01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,120
her why and

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01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,520
it was the program about the development

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of the first explosion you know

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hiroshima not the first explosion but

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the first one dropped on anybody

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and this great new weapon we're going to

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01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:09,520
end the war real quick which it did

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01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:11,600
the last and she thought the reason he

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had called this guy in her husband's

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office

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01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:17,360
was because their son was due to be sent

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over to the pacific for what would be a

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horrible invasion of japan

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because they fought like tigers but the

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01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,000
last line of the program

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01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,239
said this program to develop this

1853
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:30,400
incredible new weapon was done under the

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direction of general leslie groves

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01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,199
that's when she found out what he'd been

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01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,640
doing for the previous two years

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01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,120
traveling all over busy as can be

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she didn't know what he was doing

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01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,640
so you've got to be careful about

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01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,560
jumping to conclusions

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01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:51,040
vanivar bush a member of the mj-12 group

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and the president roosevelt science

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advisor and then truman's

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made a point of compartmentalization

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you get to know what you need to know

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not what the guy next door to you is

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doing just because he's next door to you

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01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,440
and harry truman is a good example of

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01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,920
keeping things secret he was a senator

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and then he became vice president

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01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:15,199
in the 44 election

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okay

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01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,920
he didn't know about the manhattan

1874
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,960
project until 13 days after

1875
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:22,880
president roosevelt died

1876
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,280
he had to have a special briefing

1877
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,960
and that's when he found out about it

1878
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,640
and he had to make the decision about

1879
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:31,360
whether to use the bomb and so forth

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01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,320
uh

1881
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,719
that's compartmentalization

1882
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:36,880
vice president of the united states was

1883
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,440
not briefed on that until he became

1884
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,440
president okay i think we know that

1885
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,960
history stan

1886
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,199
but i guess the big question here is

1887
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,120
we're doing a lot of speculation about

1888
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:49,199
what did they know and when did they

1889
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,159
know it

1890
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,400
what kind of information we may have but

1891
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:55,520
if it's being kept compartmentalized

1892
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,840
it's being kept secret the secret has

1893
01:12:01,669 --> 01:12:00,320
been kept for generations for several

1894
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,679
generations

1895
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,800
we have

1896
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,040
changes of command the secret still

1897
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,679
being kept people being read in sure at

1898
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,440
the end of the day

1899
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:12,000
when and how do we prove any of this

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01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,040
well

1901
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,800
what do you want me to give you some top

1902
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:17,120
secret document that is no but i'm

1903
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:18,480
saying

1904
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,600
that until or unless

1905
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:25,280
the governments disclose what they know

1906
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,440
and that goes back to disclosure

1907
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,159
or there's some kind of event we have no

1908
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,040
control over such as a mass landing some

1909
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,239
effort by et to communicate with us on a

1910
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,920
planet wide scale

1911
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,360
like they did in earth the middle of a

1912
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,679
soccer match who knows or like earth

1913
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:43,280
versus the flying saucers where they

1914
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:44,560
send a message

1915
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:45,360
in

1916
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:47,760
different languages around the world on

1917
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,600
televisions and radio

1918
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,040
in fact they did the same thing in the

1919
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:53,040
movie man of steel the superman reboot

1920
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,840
where

1921
01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:56,640
zod general zod communicates around the

1922
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,960
world because he demands that they bring

1923
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,280
him kal-el jerrell's son you get the

1924
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,840
picture so unless this happens we'll

1925
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:05,920
never solve this mystery will we

1926
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,080
well it could be if we had a woodward

1927
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,080
and bernstein around

1928
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,159
to do what the washington post did on

1929
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,159
the political watergate to blow the lid

1930
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,719
off the cosmic watergate and one piece

1931
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:18,960
of information for example

1932
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:22,080
that clearly reveals the possibility

1933
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:22,800
is

1934
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,920
the general carol bolander memo

1935
01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,920
i mean people don't realize that there's

1936
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:29,920
no big newspaper as far as i know has

1937
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:32,719
ever covered that story and as far as i

1938
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,239
know i'm the only one who actually

1939
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,159
talked with general bolander on the

1940
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,960
phone i found him uh remember very

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simple phrase

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01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:42,800
report he was an air force general

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01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,280
nothing to do with project blue book

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01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,760
he was working on a lunar excursion

1945
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:50,000
module and was working 12-hour days

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01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,280
before we landed on the moon in the

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middle of july of 1969.

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01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:56,480
earlier in 69 the condon report had

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01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,640
recommended that project blue book

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01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,120
ostensibly the only government agency

1951
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,120
concerned with ufos

1952
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,280
that it be closed because it wasn't

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01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,360
contributing anything to defense or

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01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,800
intelligence

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01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,560
so they asked general bolander what

1956
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:12,960
should we do about project blue book

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01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:16,320
i mean he's an air force general

1958
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:17,920
and he wrote a memo which we didn't see

1959
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,480
until 10 years later

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01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:22,400
and as a result of which

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01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,520
blue book was closed at the end of 69

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01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:27,840
in a memo he said reports of ufos which

1963
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:30,640
could affect national security are made

1964
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:33,360
in accordance with jnap 146 or air force

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that's joint army navy air force

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01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:37,560
publication 146 or air force manual

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01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,560
55-11 and are not

1968
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,520
part of the blue book system which is an

1969
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,600
extraordinary statement

1970
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:47,440
two paragraphs later he says if we close

1971
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:49,840
project rulebook the public won't have a

1972
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:53,120
place to report ufo sightings however as

1973
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,560
already noted

1974
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:56,480
reports which could affect national

1975
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,400
security will continue to be

1976
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:00,080
investigated using the procedures

1977
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,080
designed for that purpose remember the

1978
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:05,040
air force has been saying umpteen years

1979
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,800
ain't nothing else besides blue book

1980
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that's it folks we and we've closed that

1981
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:11,760
that you know once they had that's all

1982
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:14,239
there is to it well i located general

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ball under 10 years after this was

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01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,360
written

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and i asked him and i said it i gave him

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my background that i got a clearance for

1987
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14 years and so forth

1988
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and was very intrigued with his memo i

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said it sounds something like you're

1990
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saying they're two separate

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communication channels

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one for reports which could affect

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01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:32,560
national security and i gave him an

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01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:33,600
example

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01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,280
a saucer going down the runway at a

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strategic air command base where nuclear

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01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:41,040
weapons are restored

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01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,040
that's one thing

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01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,880
which by definition is a matter of

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01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,719
national security there's not supposed

2001
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:48,159
to be anybody there who doesn't have a

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01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:50,159
clearance and no matter what color is

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skin

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and then i said if my wife and i are

2005
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walking down the street and see a sasha

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fly over big deal happens all the time

2007
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he agreed with me two separate channels

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of communication

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uh no major press group has pointed that

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out

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and i think the obvious thing after

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spending an awful lot of time as noted

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in my book top secret magic

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mhaic

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that the mj12 documents provide us with

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the answer

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operation majestic 12 was set up

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to handle those reports which could

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affect national security let's do our

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our listeners as we get to the second

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i'll give you a short answer you bring

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here's a good one uh this comes from

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eric the red and it dovetails into

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another question from spectre73

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the question is is probably

2140
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better i think asked of richard haynes

2141
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but do you have any feel for how

2142
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frequently air force and commercial

2143
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pilots see ufos and how often have you

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been approached by such people who wish

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to you to tell you of their encounters

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is great what is your response to

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stephen hawking's remarks that quote

2149
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why do individuals in the scientific

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community take such a stance now first

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we're talking about you know commercial

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and in air force pilots and and we know

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that they've reported seeing these

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objects and in the first part of the

2155
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question is do these types of people

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approach you very often

2157
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i they don't get a chance to approach me

2158
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,400
very often i i get people tell me about

2159
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their sightings but uh pilots are

2160
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particularly circumspect remember we

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have this uh oh what's the name of the

2162
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outfit depends as their chief scientist

2163
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they have an organization

2164
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for reporting

2165
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of ufo sightings by pilots where they

2166
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guarantee anonymity to the pilots

2167
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and they've had

2168
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uh narcap national aviation reporting

2169
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center for

2170
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anomalous phenomena i think that's right

2171
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:40,639
right they've got more than a thousand

2172
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,080
reports as of a few years ago yeah

2173
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and so they they get it off their chest

2174
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but

2175
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nobody who flies for delta wants to tell

2176
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anybody that he had built a pilot saw a

2177
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ufo well we can't fly on delta can we

2178
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:56,080
you know

2179
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:58,400
what i'm saying is yes pilots do see

2180
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,360
things

2181
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,199
and look mufon is getting over a

2182
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,560
thousand reports a month these days

2183
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:05,440
yeah

2184
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:09,120
that's a lot i mean how many do you need

2185
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,320
you know

2186
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that's what i've been asking for years

2187
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,600
well what about stephen hawking saying

2188
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:16,239
that only crashes weirdos

2189
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no he didn't say that the british

2190
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astronomer royals said that okay that's

2191
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what the question is uh rhys r-e-e-s

2192
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uh

2193
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,960
comment he did say it i i saw it

2194
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in print i mean the british astronomer

2195
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,760
royal level he follows in the footsteps

2196
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:38,560
of another one in 1956 said

2197
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,360
space travel is utter bilge

2198
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that was a year before sputnik

2199
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and lord reece didn't give any

2200
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indication at all that he knew anything

2201
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,520
about ufos

2202
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:51,280
as a matter of fact the better the

2203
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,960
quality of the sighting because of the

2204
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,400
background of the observer this was

2205
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:57,679
found way back in 55.

2206
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,280
project blue book special report 14 3201

2207
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,040
sightings there is no bigger

2208
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study on record the better the quality

2209
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:09,280
the more likely to be unidentifiable and

2210
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the probability that the

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uh

2212
01:24:17,189 --> 01:24:15,520
unknowns or just misnomes was less than

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one percent of statistical

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cross-comparison showed

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but that doesn't keep uh astronomers

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from saying stupid things my university

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01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,840
chicago classmate carl sagan in two

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different books said they're interesting

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01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,080
settings that aren't reliable there are

2220
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reliable sightings that aren't

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interesting but there are no interesting

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01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:35,120
and reliable sightings and i uh

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01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,400
castigated

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01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,320
carl for saying that because he provided

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01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,480
no evidence no reference you know as you

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can tell from this through that report

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and it's not true it's just the opposite

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it's like who was it hawking said we

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shouldn't let anybody know that we're

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here by sending out signals because they

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might bother us look what the what

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01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:56,719
columbus did to the indians right that

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presumes that they can get here doesn't

2234
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it otherwise why worry

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but the big thing and the ancient

2236
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:06,880
academics and fossilized physicists

2237
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:09,199
are constantly saying things about ufos

2238
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,560
which are totally false untrue like i've

2239
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had an interesting opportunity and i'm

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on campuses i've often been able to give

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a seminar a colloquium if you want to

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sound fancy about it and usually

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sponsored by the physics department and

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i start off by going over several things

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i don't think they know anything about

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because i've been warned by a student

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that dr jones thinks this is full of

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01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,280
bologna you know

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so i talk about i ask him about the

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nuclear rocket engine they don't know

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01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,400
anything about about the electromagnetic

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submarine they don't know anything about

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it

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and then i ask them what's one g in

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01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,199
numerical values 9.8 meters per second

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01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,880
squared they all know that i say okay

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01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,960
how do you relate that to a corvette

2258
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,679
they look at me like i'm talking swahili

2259
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:58,080
i said well it's 21 miles per hour per

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01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,120
second

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01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:01,440
so a car accelerating at three g's you

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01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:02,480
get six

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01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:05,840
to three miles per hour in three seconds

2264
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or one fee you get 63 miles per hour

2265
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:10,560
that's pretty good for most cars it's

2266
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,800
better than most as a matter of fact but

2267
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,400
then i ask okay what's the speed of

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01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,760
light and they can rattle off that

2269
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,760
number i say okay the question is how

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01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,080
long does it take at one g

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01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:22,400
to get to the speed of light it's a

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01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,880
multiple choice question folks you have

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01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,080
four choices

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01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:28,000
a thousand years a hundred years ten

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01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:29,679
years or one year how many think it's a

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01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,880
thousand and then how many think it's a

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01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:33,440
hundred and so most like it's a hundred

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01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,239
or ten the right answer is one you don't

2279
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:38,639
want to think all about this stuff

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01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,880
uh and i've i've been up there i've done

2281
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debates on coast to coast uh seth rostec

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01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:49,199
and i debated i won 57 33 10. i debated

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01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,520
michael shermer dr michael schremer dr

2284
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:54,000
seth fast head of the german head of the

2285
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:57,199
skeptic society 80 of the people voted

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01:27:00,709 --> 01:26:58,639
for me why because he didn't know

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01:27:02,390 --> 01:27:00,719
anything

2288
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,400
well that's very straightforward i mean

2289
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:04,480
he started off with a really stupid

2290
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:06,800
comment the only reason that there's

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01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,520
always five percent of any paranormal

2292
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,600
phenomena that you don't have enough

2293
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,840
data for uh and you know whether you're

2294
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,000
talking ghosts or anything else

2295
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,719
and that gave me a an opening big enough

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01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,560
to drive a mac truck through i pointed

2297
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:22,800
out that blue book special report 14 the

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01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,000
unknowns were 21 and a half percent i

2299
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:27,840
pointed out that in dick

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01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:31,600
hall's ufo evidence it was 18 that

2301
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,400
mcconan report it was 30 according to a

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special ufo subcommittee the american

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institute of aeronautics and

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astronautics

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he

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homework

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so i'm willing to take anybody on uh

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01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:48,400
especially when they're prone to making

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01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:49,199
these

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so well that brings the question of

2311
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,280
another eric the red question well how

2312
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:57,120
often are you contacted by scientists

2313
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,440
and academics who express an interest in

2314
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,120
the topic but wouldn't there publicly

2315
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,040
declare this interest for fear of

2316
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,360
damaging their careers

2317
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:07,679
it's happened a number of times dozens

2318
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,320
of times over the years

2319
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:12,320
especially when i'm on campus now i'm

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doing more conferences and i i'm not

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01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,320
doing any mailings to a thousand

2322
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,960
colleges at once as i used to do

2323
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who needs it

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i'm keeping busy

2325
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uh

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so yes i've had people tell me about

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their sightings

2328
01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,120
uh quietly

2329
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,840
i get some very interesting stories

2330
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:35,199
uh and

2331
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the kind of interesting when i say

2332
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interesting i've had seven different

2333
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people

2334
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,520
quietly tell me after a lecture

2335
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:43,920
about being on a cam on a

2336
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,080
military airfield

2337
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,159
where somebody was scrambled to chase a

2338
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,639
ufo and never returned i've heard seven

2339
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,400
stories like that

2340
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,760
uh if i've heard seven that means

2341
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:55,360
there's a heck of a lot more out there

2342
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:58,639
and we remember that way back in 52

2343
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,280
the regulation for military pilots was

2344
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:03,600
shoot them down if they don't land when

2345
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:05,440
instructed to do so

2346
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,080
how do you tell an alien to get his ufo

2347
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:11,280
on the ground so you can examine it

2348
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:13,679
pretty silly frankly but

2349
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:14,800
uh

2350
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,440
that has happened seven times

2351
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:18,480
uh

2352
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:23,679
well here's a typical report after a

2353
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,199
lecture i ask how many have had

2354
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,320
sightings typically 10 how many reported

2355
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,800
it 10 of the 10 percent

2356
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,880
and i then i asked people how many were

2357
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,880
in the service at the time you want to

2358
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,040
tell us about it they had one guy in

2359
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:39,360
front of 1300 people says i can't they

2360
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:41,679
told me not to say anything i had

2361
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,760
another guy who said

2362
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,760
uh they took my pictures

2363
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:48,000
didn't say anything more so i said look

2364
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,600
i i'm not asking your name you don't

2365
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:51,040
need to stand up but i'm sure the

2366
01:29:54,629 --> 01:29:52,400
audience would like to hear the rest of

2367
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:54,639
the story about 500 people here in

2368
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,840
indiana

2369
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,920
and so he remains suited

2370
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and told about flying a four-engine air

2371
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:02,080
force plane over the pacific plain 20

2372
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,000
miles ahead radio's back saucer heading

2373
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,239
your way they took pictures they had gun

2374
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:08,320
cameras on board the plane

2375
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reported called the base they were going

2376
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to inform them that they were bringing

2377
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,400
in intelligence information

2378
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,639
the crew does not take the film down to

2379
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the drugstore as somebody want to

2380
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:20,639
suggest it to me

2381
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and when they land the film gets taken

2382
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and they get debriefed and told never to

2383
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say anything i'll tell you what we won't

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be able to say anything if we don't

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break

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stanton friedman with gene and chris

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2490
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hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

2491
01:35:02,390 --> 01:34:56,960
you're listening to the paracast the

2492
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,910
we have so many questions of stanton

2493
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,520
friedman i'm not going to say a thing

2494
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:07,920
except chris what's next

2495
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:10,480
let's go off planet uh real quick here

2496
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:11,679
and

2497
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,800
this is a question from shadow gov who

2498
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:17,040
is a long time

2499
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:18,719
listener to the pericast he joined the

2500
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,679
forums in 2009 and he's only asked or

2501
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:23,280
posted seven times so you're bringing

2502
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,080
them out

2503
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:26,320
you're bringing the lurkers out stan

2504
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:28,080
the question is since stan is a nuclear

2505
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,159
physicist i was wondering what he

2506
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:32,639
thought of dr john brandenburg's mars

2507
01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:35,120
was nuked hypothesis

2508
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,040
specifically i wonder what he thinks of

2509
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:39,360
the idea that the elevated levels of

2510
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:42,239
xenon in the martian atmosphere could

2511
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:44,880
only be explained by a nuclear bomb

2512
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,199
well i i know john and he is a

2513
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,199
legitimate scientist and i read his

2514
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,440
paper and i was very impressed

2515
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:53,520
on the other hand i cannot vouch that

2516
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,159
there is not something we don't know you

2517
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,040
know so i i can't say there is no other

2518
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,280
possibility how could i say that

2519
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:04,080
but i think it's an interesting one and

2520
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:05,840
let's face it

2521
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:07,360
yes there are some people are still

2522
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,480
saying the world was created in 4004 bc

2523
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:12,719
and it was a thursday afternoon

2524
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:14,800
i i think they left six zeros out of

2525
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,760
that what i'm saying is you know darn

2526
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:19,840
little about what's happened in the

2527
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:22,480
solar system over the last four billion

2528
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:23,760
years

2529
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:25,440
yeah what was the date on that was 500

2530
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,719
million years ago if i remember

2531
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:29,280
correctly i think it was a little nearer

2532
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,040
than that maybe only 50 million years

2533
01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:33,440
250 million okay i added to zero that

2534
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:34,880
you were looking for

2535
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:37,600
so 50 million years ago a nuclear an air

2536
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:40,719
burst nuclear event lays a layer of

2537
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,199
radiation uniformly around the i think

2538
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:45,360
the northern hemisphere of the planet

2539
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,719
so

2540
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:49,119
other than the fact that it was an air

2541
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,119
burst event

2542
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:53,840
is there anything to suppose that um

2543
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,280
that this could be artificial in origin

2544
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:58,960
well yeah because it's very hard to

2545
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:01,679
produce all those radioisotopes uh

2546
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:03,920
naturally yes we had

2547
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,159
down in africa there's a place where

2548
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,880
there was a natural uranium reactor if

2549
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:10,080
you will

2550
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:13,119
but it wasn't fusion it was fission

2551
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:15,280
and it didn't produce large quantities

2552
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,880
distributed all over a large area

2553
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,600
so i leave room for there having been

2554
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,840
call it nuclear war games

2555
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:25,840
ever wanted something better

2556
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,639
back

2557
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:28,560
many years ago

2558
01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:31,360
we need to expand our horizons there's

2559
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:33,920
no sign that in the last thousand years

2560
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,760
we're any smarter

2561
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,360
than we know a lot

2562
01:37:40,870 --> 01:37:39,199
that they didn't know back then because

2563
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,880
of our technological development and

2564
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,760
stuff

2565
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,920
but if you read greek literature for

2566
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:46,400
example okay three thousand years uh

2567
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,600
uh

2568
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,960
it's not

2569
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:50,800
written for children

2570
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,560
they're sophisticated in their thinking

2571
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,159
capability

2572
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:56,320
uh i don't know how many times there

2573
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:58,480
have been civilizations on this planet

2574
01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,440
that have

2575
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:01,679
disappeared an asteroid comes along i

2576
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,600
mean look how long were the

2577
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:05,679
dinosaurs in power

2578
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,040
power is a funny word in this case

2579
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:11,199
50 million years i've heard

2580
01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:12,719
it was way longer than that it was close

2581
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,280
to 200 and who knows okay then you get

2582
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:17,280
the idea that yeah they could have they

2583
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,880
could have become a space-faring

2584
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,280
civilization in the last million years

2585
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:23,440
prior to the chichelleb impact

2586
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,960
and they could be the reptoids coming

2587
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,960
back to reclaim earth for all we know we

2588
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:28,880
don't know i mean that's the important

2589
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:32,639
term we don't know what has gone before

2590
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:35,280
and absence of evidence is not evidence

2591
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:36,719
for absence

2592
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:38,800
i mean look at henrik schliemann

2593
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,960
he believed the iliad

2594
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,560
you know troy

2595
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,480
and the historians

2596
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:46,800
i said well that's nonsense if there had

2597
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:47,520
been

2598
01:38:53,030 --> 01:38:50,800
uh a civilization back then

2599
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,040
we would know about it well he was rich

2600
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,080
enough that schliemann was to have pay

2601
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,560
people to dig down 70 feet

2602
01:39:02,310 --> 01:39:00,400
and they found troy

2603
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:02,320
and that was only from you know roughly

2604
01:39:07,109 --> 01:39:04,400
3 000 years ago

2605
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:07,119
but if we hadn't dug what would we know

2606
01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:08,560
there are cities

2607
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,760
under water near japan that are begging

2608
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:13,760
for exploration

2609
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,000
we don't know what's been here before

2610
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:18,400
the whole atlanta story

2611
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,040
what's going on there i don't know and

2612
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:23,280
nobody else does

2613
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,320
we we hate to admit our ignorance

2614
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:28,560
but see not being an academic i can get

2615
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,040
away with saying i don't know

2616
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,199
i don't lose my job because you admitted

2617
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:35,440
you didn't know something professors

2618
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:41,030
yeah not my style yeah my favorite

2619
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,480
professors were the ones that when you

2620
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:43,840
asked them a hard question they didn't

2621
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:46,080
know it they admitted it

2622
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:47,440
well yeah

2623
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:49,119
they were the good ones

2624
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,320
yeah

2625
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,400
encouraging thinking

2626
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,560
well since we're still uh kind of off

2627
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,159
planet here this is another question

2628
01:40:02,229 --> 01:39:58,239
from our lurker shadow gov

2629
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,239
and i love his avatar by the way uh

2630
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,400
what are your feelings about uh about

2631
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:06,080
these alien

2632
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:07,679
moon-based theories do you give any

2633
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:09,679
credence to them

2634
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:10,719
well

2635
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,760
i i'm i'm torn about that

2636
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,080
again i would have to say

2637
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,000
we don't know much

2638
01:40:22,229 --> 01:40:20,560
and certainly if all the good data comes

2639
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:22,239
back through official government

2640
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:23,600
channels

2641
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,960
uh

2642
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:26,480
it's censorable

2643
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:29,920
is that censurable whatever

2644
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,880
so i it wouldn't surprise me if there

2645
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:34,880
had been bases placed on the moon

2646
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,199
sometime in the last million years

2647
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,280
you know whether it's 100 years ago 50

2648
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:42,400
years ago or a million years ago i don't

2649
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,199
know

2650
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:45,679
it wouldn't surprise me especially if it

2651
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:48,080
was on the other side of the moon

2652
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,639
which we can't see easily

2653
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:52,400
they're the only ones who can see it or

2654
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:53,679
have seen it

2655
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,320
and you know india and china are doing

2656
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,480
more with lunar satellites who knows

2657
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,920
what they're going to say

2658
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:01,119
you know

2659
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:02,400
that's a good question do you think that

2660
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,600
they'll divulge this to embarrass the us

2661
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:06,960
well i don't know

2662
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,000
you know we live in a very strange world

2663
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,719
people forget why the secrecy one of the

2664
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:14,639
key reasons is

2665
01:41:19,350 --> 01:41:17,119
i don't know any government that wants

2666
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:19,360
its citizens to owe their allegiance to

2667
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:22,400
the planet as opposed to that government

2668
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:24,639
nationalism is the only game i can find

2669
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:25,920
in town

2670
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:29,280
nobody in power wants to give up power

2671
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,159
so

2672
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,960
they have nothing to gain now maybe

2673
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:34,400
china does and you say well we'll have

2674
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:36,320
an election and they'll win hands down

2675
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,080
after all

2676
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:40,239
uh you know there's nobody who speaks

2677
01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:41,920
for the planet

2678
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,679
the galactic federation as far as we

2679
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,080
know hasn't chosen a representative from

2680
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:47,920
amongst the people on earth

2681
01:41:50,850 --> 01:41:49,520
i'm stephen greer

2682
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:50,860
uh no thank you

2683
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:53,600
[Laughter]

2684
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,199
i'm not stephen bassett

2685
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:59,199
no thank you again i couldn't i just

2686
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,910
i don't think either one knows enough

2687
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:05,760
about security

2688
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:08,560
and neither one seems to realize that we

2689
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,840
are a threat to the neighborhood

2690
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,719
uh

2691
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,400
we're warlike

2692
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:16,639
but you keep telling us here

2693
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:19,280
what's a good argument for e.t to come

2694
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,320
down here and stop it i mean in the

2695
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:24,159
movie the day the earth stood still the

2696
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,040
original one where clatto says if you

2697
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:29,280
don't get your acts together we're going

2698
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,199
to take care of this ourselves and we're

2699
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:33,760
going to destroy you in so many words

2700
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:34,639
so

2701
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,400
would et have hostile intentions well i

2702
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,560
i think quarantining us might be the

2703
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:42,960
best way to do that especially if

2704
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:45,600
they've been mining goodies from here

2705
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,679
they've been you know this may be the

2706
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:49,920
vacation spot maybe this is a penal

2707
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:51,679
colony they dump all the bad boys and

2708
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:53,360
girls here and that's why we're so nasty

2709
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:57,600
to each other right this is fort ross

2710
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,800
i think we're already quarantined

2711
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:02,480
well

2712
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,000
you've read bob salas's book haven't you

2713
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:08,080
it's been a while

2714
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,960
well

2715
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,560
i mean the basic idea that they have

2716
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,480
done their best to make sure our nuclear

2717
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:13,920
weapons uh

2718
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,400
don't get used if you will yeah and let

2719
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:18,239
us know that they can control and all

2720
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:19,760
that sort of stuff yeah well they

2721
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:22,960
haven't talked to dick cheney

2722
01:43:29,590 --> 01:43:25,679
no i haven't either i'll grant you that

2723
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:29,600
be careful don't go out hunting with him

2724
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,880
that's right it kind of got shot

2725
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:34,000
oh well

2726
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:36,000
well this logic is getting shot let's

2727
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:37,440
continue

2728
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:38,480
yeah

2729
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:40,159
okay um

2730
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,760
you know again we we do have a lot of

2731
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:43,679
questions you have covered a lot of the

2732
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:45,440
ground that these questions are asking

2733
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,600
about but this is a good one and i think

2734
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:49,520
of all the uh folks that we have on the

2735
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:52,800
show i think that this question um is

2736
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,040
best served by being answered by you and

2737
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,280
that is what advice do you have for our

2738
01:44:01,990 --> 01:43:59,040
up and coming younger generations of

2739
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,000
potential ufo researchers

2740
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,320
well i i think a

2741
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,440
you got to study what's been done before

2742
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,760
b you have to recognize that there are a

2743
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:11,760
lot of well-educated people who are very

2744
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,159
ignorant about the subject

2745
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,400
so don't expect good sense in other

2746
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,119
words a phd unless you're one of those

2747
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,119
dozen or so got their degrees with the

2748
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,920
thesis like david jacobs

2749
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,600
about ufos

2750
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:27,199
don't don't expect good sense from

2751
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,880
people who won't admit that they haven't

2752
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:30,480
studied the evidence because they think

2753
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:32,480
there is no evidence to study if there

2754
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:34,000
had been they would know about it you

2755
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:34,800
know

2756
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:36,719
it's a vicious circle

2757
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:38,400
so that's the first thing the second

2758
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,600
thing

2759
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,480
start realizing how rapidly our

2760
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,280
knowledge of how the universe works

2761
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,199
just look back uh

2762
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:49,679
say 1895.

2763
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,080
before 1895 we didn't know about

2764
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:54,800
neutrons gamma rays x-rays we didn't

2765
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:56,960
know about dna we didn't know about

2766
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,159
space travel we didn't know about flight

2767
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,800
we didn't know about antibiotics

2768
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:04,719
there's a whole slew of things that we

2769
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:07,840
knew absolutely nothing about we do know

2770
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,960
this now

2771
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:10,400
we we

2772
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,440
have another four segments left of this

2773
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:14,960
week's episode

2774
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,280
lots more questions for stanton friedman

2775
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:19,440
so we want you to stick around

2776
01:45:34,750 --> 01:45:33,430
bearcast thank you for listening to gcn

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now there is the coming of the

2782
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protectors a former military

2783
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intelligence man is contacted by a space

2784
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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2785
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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2786
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her distant planet are planning to

2787
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,360
conquer the earth this is gripping

2788
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science fiction of the classic kind

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attack of the rockoids and the coming of

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the protectors find out more at

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rockoids.com that's rockoids

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placing an order online the site went

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down it just stopped responding it took

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hours before it returned but i'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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your site goes down you could lose

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business and if you have a business or

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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2828
01:47:57,620 --> 01:47:54,239
and now

2829
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:57,630
here's gene steinberg

2830
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,950
we continue with a line of questioning

2831
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:04,560
this is not a congressional hearing it's

2832
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just

2833
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,679
gene steinberg and chris o'brien

2834
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:10,080
and dozens of listeners who've asked

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rather long questions sometimes of our

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guest stanton friedman we have a second

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chris please continue with the questions

2853
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,719
well this one comes from harry newton

2854
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,320
who is a very active poster at

2855
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,400
forum.theparacast.com

2856
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:57,920
again that's where our listeners go to

2857
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,719
post questions for our guests and i'm a

2858
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:02,480
little confused about this i didn't know

2859
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:05,280
that there was such a thing as helium 4

2860
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:07,679
but he's wondering if you could talk

2861
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:10,239
about it in layman's terms because he's

2862
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,080
really interested in it especially

2863
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,480
because my understanding it is lighter

2864
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,040
than helium-3 i have done some reading

2865
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:18,960
about it my main question is is it a

2866
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:21,280
potentially viable fuel for a high

2867
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:23,199
altitude balloon or even a lighter than

2868
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:25,440
aircraft or vehicle first of all i've

2869
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:27,199
never even heard of helium-4 i've heard

2870
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:29,360
of helium-3 and the moon is rich

2871
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:31,920
with it and it could be an incredible

2872
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:35,119
energy source um i think one load of the

2873
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,119
is i read somewhere a load of it on the

2874
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:39,520
space shuttle could run like the country

2875
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:42,320
for a year i i i'm not sure what the

2876
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:43,199
actual

2877
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,280
it just seemed incredible to me first of

2878
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:46,719
all is there a helium four i've never

2879
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:49,440
even heard of that well what is normal

2880
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:52,960
helium you've got a nucleus with two

2881
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:55,360
protons in it don't you

2882
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:56,400
neutron

2883
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:58,080
so that's helium-4

2884
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:01,040
so helium-4 is what it mostly is you

2885
01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:05,119
know the atomic weight of it if you will

2886
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:07,600
helium-3 is the one when i was looking

2887
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,400
at nuclear fusion way back in 1962

2888
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:15,199
makes me feel old we did a study for the

2889
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,520
air force 9 million taxpayer dollars

2890
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:19,199
went into that

2891
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:22,560
and deuterium and helium 3

2892
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,440
was a very interesting fusion

2893
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:28,239
combination the reason being that not

2894
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,840
only do you get an enormous amount of

2895
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,000
energy per fusion reaction

2896
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:34,880
but you produce almost entirely the the

2897
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:37,679
new particles are charged particles

2898
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:39,920
and charged particles unlike

2899
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,400
nasty neutrons

2900
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:44,560
charged particles can be directed to go

2901
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:46,480
out that way and you want the rocket to

2902
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:49,119
go the opposite way neutrons go out in

2903
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,880
all directions so you don't get any

2904
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:52,239
direct you've got to do something with

2905
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:54,320
the neutrons convert them to heat and so

2906
01:50:59,030 --> 01:50:56,480
forth not a good idea

2907
01:51:00,870 --> 01:50:59,040
but deuterium and helium-3 was our most

2908
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:00,880
attractive thought

2909
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:04,080
deuterium is heavy hydrogen got an extra

2910
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:05,679
neutron in there

2911
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:06,480
so

2912
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:08,639
that's the one that you normally talk

2913
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:09,600
about

2914
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,360
and helium-3

2915
01:51:16,550 --> 01:51:13,520
comes from outer space

2916
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:16,560
and and yes there is some on the moon

2917
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,639
and jupiter probably

2918
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,960
and you can make it in reactors but it's

2919
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,960
expensive to do that if you can find it

2920
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:25,040
and mine it that's a much better way of

2921
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:26,960
doing it so to speak

2922
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:28,880
so yeah

2923
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:31,600
again if you look at fusion

2924
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:33,280
as opposed to

2925
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:34,880
chemical

2926
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:36,320
rockets

2927
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:37,599
if you will

2928
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:40,400
the enormous amount of energy per

2929
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:41,920
interaction

2930
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,080
hundreds of millions

2931
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,880
of electron volts per reaction

2932
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,560
for fission

2933
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,440
and for fusion but fission uses uranium

2934
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,239
which is very heavy fusion uses isotopes

2935
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:55,679
of helium

2936
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:59,280
and hydrogen which are very light and

2937
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,119
the other nice thing of course is the

2938
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,360
most abundant substance in the universe

2939
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,920
is hydrogen second is helium

2940
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:07,760
so wherever you go you may have trouble

2941
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:10,719
finding uranium the heavy metals are

2942
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:13,040
rare in the universe by comparison but

2943
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:14,800
you're going to find hydrogen and helium

2944
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:16,960
everywhere and if you're going to have a

2945
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:19,119
rocket it's nice to have a propellant

2946
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,239
basically it doesn't weigh much

2947
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:24,239
much better than a very heavy thing like

2948
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:25,520
uranium

2949
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:29,679
so helium-3 i'm a fan of deuterium which

2950
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:32,080
is hydrogen 2 if you will

2951
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:33,920
and helium 3

2952
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:36,639
make a great combination

2953
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:38,320
i talk about this in my book flying

2954
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,360
saucers

2955
01:52:44,790 --> 01:52:41,840
and science this is not an obscure kind

2956
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,800
of subject been talked about a long time

2957
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,880
um we've been kind of staying away from

2958
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,880
roswell but there are a number of

2959
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:50,080
questions

2960
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:55,910
huh

2961
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:58,480
nice place to visit i don't know it

2962
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,560
gives me the i break out in a rash i

2963
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:02,560
can't find where to scratch all those

2964
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:04,080
alien images i don't know it's just kind

2965
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:05,840
of strange

2966
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,920
but yeah i guess for that part of the

2967
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:10,239
world it is probably the only

2968
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:12,719
go-to destination okay this one comes

2969
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,000
without from without limits09 uh and

2970
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:18,000
he's been a member since 2011 with the

2971
01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:19,679
paracast forum

2972
01:53:23,510 --> 01:53:21,679
and he would be curious to know if you

2973
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,520
still believe that two flying saucers

2974
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,159
crashed into each other in corona and if

2975
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,080
so how does he balance that in the face

2976
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,239
of other researchers like kevin randle

2977
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:32,000
who hold to the fact that there was only

2978
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,599
one crash saucer

2979
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,599
can you name another roswell researcher

2980
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,920
who believes two were involved and

2981
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,880
finally

2982
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:40,560
how could there be two competing

2983
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:42,960
theories so foundational to the story

2984
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,760
if our witnesses are so rock solid

2985
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:47,520
uh he says either it was one crash or

2986
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,280
two crashes and if there's confusion on

2987
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,880
that main point and the whole story

2988
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,719
seems to be shaky

2989
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,719
well i disagree with kevin randall he

2990
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,880
and i have disagreed about many things

2991
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:58,239
uh

2992
01:54:02,390 --> 01:54:00,320
i would refer to my book

2993
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,400
uh crash at corona

2994
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:04,960
now i didn't say that they hit each

2995
01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:07,599
other and went down right there yeah i

2996
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:09,920
was wondering about that no i i wouldn't

2997
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:11,199
say that at all

2998
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:12,080
but

2999
01:54:15,189 --> 01:54:13,679
let me give you a scenario and as a

3000
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:15,199
matter of fact i asked an air force

3001
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,040
general about this i say

3002
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:19,599
if you have a pilot and a wingman

3003
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,480
and they run across a a

3004
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:24,560
fancy radar system

3005
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:25,599
where

3006
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,320
there isn't any around the world in 1947

3007
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:29,679
in other words there weren't a lot of

3008
01:54:32,709 --> 01:54:31,280
radar installations around we didn't

3009
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:32,719
have an air defense command worth

3010
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,840
talking about or powerful radar we had

3011
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,159
some radar in new mexico

3012
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,760
because we were testing to capture

3013
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:41,920
german rockets there

3014
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:44,880
and we know that on the day

3015
01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:47,840
at the time the crash occurred

3016
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:52,080
the radars were on tracking radars

3017
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:53,679
not search radars they're not going

3018
01:54:57,430 --> 01:54:55,440
round and round and round they're

3019
01:55:00,790 --> 01:54:57,440
tracking radars for the testing of the

3020
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:00,800
rockets the radars were on because these

3021
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:03,280
were all vacuum tube radars

3022
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,800
and if you don't leave them on you got

3023
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,400
to warm them up

3024
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:08,719
so if something unusual happens you're

3025
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,480
not ready to go

3026
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:12,560
and so if you just

3027
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:15,280
fly through the beam and whoops

3028
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:16,480
damn

3029
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:19,280
you know discombobulates the uh

3030
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:21,199
guidance system

3031
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:22,880
uh or the

3032
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:24,880
operating system

3033
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,360
and you get a a glitch

3034
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:29,760
one goes into the other and more than 40

3035
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:32,320
of the cases in 47 involve more than one

3036
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:34,400
ufo scene at a time

3037
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:36,000
in other words with i'll call it a

3038
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:37,840
wingman for one of a better way of

3039
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:41,360
putting it we do that all the time

3040
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:42,560
and

3041
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:46,159
so if if they temporarily

3042
01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:47,520
lose control

3043
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:49,360
and bang into each other i asked an air

3044
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:50,800
force general

3045
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:53,040
who was a pilot a german prisoner of war

3046
01:55:57,589 --> 01:55:55,199
as a matter of fact

3047
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:57,599
went on to be the commander of

3048
01:56:01,990 --> 01:55:59,679
wright patterson air force base

3049
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:02,000
and i asked him if you get emitter

3050
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,199
collision is the damage uh symmetric in

3051
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:07,679
other words are both the craft

3052
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:10,560
uh damaged equally so to speak he said

3053
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,719
no almost never usually one of them

3054
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,560
makes it down

3055
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:17,040
and the other one too bad

3056
01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,119
and so my theory if you will is

3057
01:56:24,550 --> 01:56:23,360
this is my first conversation with jesse

3058
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:24,560
marcel

3059
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:27,920
the intelligence officer for the only

3060
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atomic bombing group in the world the

3061
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most elite military group in the world

3062
01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:37,669
if

3063
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:40,639
you have a mid-air collision

3064
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:42,159
you'd expect

3065
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:44,000
this was jesse's conclusion

3066
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:45,440
not that it was a mid-air collision but

3067
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:48,320
that it was an above-air explosion above

3068
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:50,159
ground explosion

3069
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:51,119
he said

3070
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:52,639
for two reasons

3071
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:54,560
he had seen plane crashes in the pacific

3072
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:57,520
during world war ii uh make a big hole

3073
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:00,159
in the ground if an airplane crashes

3074
01:57:04,149 --> 01:57:02,480
a crater if you will

3075
01:57:05,669 --> 01:57:04,159
and he said so there were there were two

3076
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,679
reasons he

3077
01:57:09,510 --> 01:57:07,599
thought that there had to be an above

3078
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:09,520
air explosion

3079
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:11,920
one was there was no crater

3080
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,679
out there in the boonies

3081
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:15,280
okay let's stop there and let's do our

3082
01:57:19,589 --> 01:57:16,400
break okay

3083
01:57:21,750 --> 01:57:19,599
okay so the first possibility that there

3084
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:21,760
was an explosion in the air which

3085
01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:23,040
accounts for the fact that there's no

3086
01:57:27,589 --> 01:57:25,599
crater began tomorrow and this theory

3087
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,599
about the roswell crash

3088
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in our next segment with stanton

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so let's continue about this theory

3204
02:02:06,709 --> 02:02:04,239
about how this crash may have occurred

3205
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:06,719
with stanton friedman about roswell new

3206
02:02:12,390 --> 02:02:09,599
mexico when i spoke to jesse the first

3207
02:02:14,790 --> 02:02:12,400
time in 1978 he figured there had to

3208
02:02:17,030 --> 02:02:14,800
have been a mirror explosion because of

3209
02:02:19,109 --> 02:02:17,040
two things one no crater and you would

3210
02:02:20,629 --> 02:02:19,119
have seen it out there it's it's desert

3211
02:02:23,589 --> 02:02:20,639
the second was

3212
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:23,599
the wide spread of the wreckage maybe

3213
02:02:27,270 --> 02:02:25,360
three quarters of a mile this way a

3214
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:27,280
quarter mile that way it wouldn't have

3215
02:02:32,229 --> 02:02:29,520
been spread out so much if there'd just

3216
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:32,239
been a crash and that makes sense to me

3217
02:02:36,390 --> 02:02:34,400
and then when i ask the general about

3218
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:36,400
one's gonna come down and

3219
02:02:40,149 --> 02:02:38,880
one not so quickly it doesn't surprise

3220
02:02:42,629 --> 02:02:40,159
me and

3221
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:42,639
kevin hasn't bought into the second

3222
02:02:47,109 --> 02:02:44,880
crash in the plains of san agustin what

3223
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:47,119
can i tell you read my book crash at

3224
02:02:53,750 --> 02:02:51,360
corona and i think that if there was an

3225
02:02:56,310 --> 02:02:53,760
explosion it would have spread stuff all

3226
02:02:58,870 --> 02:02:56,320
over which is the way the scene was

3227
02:03:01,830 --> 02:02:58,880
described but remember this is in the

3228
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:01,840
middle of nowhere no tourists around at

3229
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:05,440
that time i mean the rancher had a sheep

3230
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:07,199
he was in charge of the sheep he didn't

3231
02:03:12,070 --> 02:03:09,199
own the ranch he was the foreman on the

3232
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:12,080
ranch and he was worried about the the

3233
02:03:15,510 --> 02:03:13,679
sheep eating this

3234
02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:15,520
foil-like material that was spread out

3235
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:17,920
all over the place and some plastic like

3236
02:03:22,950 --> 02:03:21,040
material and some rubber like material

3237
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:22,960
but there weren't passing cars there's

3238
02:03:27,830 --> 02:03:25,119
no road there it's in the middle of

3239
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:27,840
nowhere it would have been natural the

3240
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:31,040
rancher comes goes into corona and is

3241
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:32,960
complaining about all his junk on his

3242
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:33,920
ranch

3243
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:35,760
he didn't have radio he didn't get a

3244
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:37,440
newspaper he hadn't heard anything about

3245
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:39,360
flying saucers kenneth arnold saying was

3246
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:42,000
two weeks earlier uh but the guys at the

3247
02:03:47,109 --> 02:03:45,360
corona store the general store had and

3248
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:47,119
one of them had seen an article that

3249
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:49,440
said there was a reward being offered

3250
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,840
for wreckage or pieces of one of these

3251
02:03:56,070 --> 02:03:54,000
saucers people were seeing they

3252
02:03:58,550 --> 02:03:56,080
suggested he go into roswell where the

3253
02:03:59,830 --> 02:03:58,560
sheriff was and where the base was and

3254
02:04:02,229 --> 02:03:59,840
take some of the wreckage with him see

3255
02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:02,239
if he could collect the reward so he did

3256
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:05,280
the next day july the 6th and he went

3257
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:07,040
into the rancher the sheriff's office

3258
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:10,000
the sheriff calls the base and talks to

3259
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:13,119
jesse marcel he was on duty at that time

3260
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:14,880
and he goes to the sheriff's office

3261
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:16,880
looks at this stuff doesn't see anything

3262
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:19,440
that's normal an airplane crash you saw

3263
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:21,360
all kinds of stuff from vacuum tubes and

3264
02:04:25,350 --> 02:04:23,840
tags saying made in oshkosh and all

3265
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:25,360
kinds of standard

3266
02:04:29,589 --> 02:04:27,360
airplane junk if you will

3267
02:04:31,030 --> 02:04:29,599
jesse asks his boss what to do and he

3268
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,040
says take one of our counter

3269
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:33,199
intelligence corps guys the shirt and

3270
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,119
cabinet is what happens and follow the

3271
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:37,360
rancher out because the ranch are

3272
02:04:40,629 --> 02:04:39,440
there was loads of this stuff out there

3273
02:04:43,109 --> 02:04:40,639
that's what he was worried about who's

3274
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:43,119
going to clean up the mess because it's

3275
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:45,520
labor-intensive walking around to pick

3276
02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:47,920
up pieces of small pieces of foil they

3277
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:50,560
went out there they saw all this stuff

3278
02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:53,679
they came back to town and then the fix

3279
02:04:57,189 --> 02:04:55,599
was in and there were plenty of military

3280
02:05:00,229 --> 02:04:57,199
guys that went out and we've talked to

3281
02:05:01,990 --> 02:05:00,239
some kevin has for that matter guys who

3282
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:02,000
went around with the you know a stick

3283
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:04,400
with a nail on the end of it and picking

3284
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:06,880
up pieces or trying to and putting them

3285
02:05:11,030 --> 02:05:09,280
in burlap bags and trying to clean up

3286
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:11,040
they were vacuuming the desert was the

3287
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,920
expression somebody used so it moved

3288
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:16,000
from something that might have been of

3289
02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:18,000
interest and colonel blanchard was

3290
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:20,080
worried about spies that's why the

3291
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,320
counterintelligence corps got remember

3292
02:05:27,990 --> 02:05:24,800
these are the only atomic bombers in the

3293
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:28,000
whole darn world at that time russians

3294
02:05:32,149 --> 02:05:30,560
didn't test their first bomb until 1949.

3295
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:32,159
naturally they would make an effort to

3296
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:34,880
recover all this stuff and learn as much

3297
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:37,360
as they could about it the cause of the

3298
02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:39,920
crash and i've heard radar brought it

3299
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:41,520
down somehow and that seems kind of

3300
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:42,719
strange because we're dealing with

3301
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:45,280
advanced technology certainly radar

3302
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:46,960
would be such an elemental thing

3303
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:49,520
compared to what they have well that's

3304
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:52,080
why they probably wouldn't have expected

3305
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:54,000
it do you think that radar would have

3306
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:56,560
the power to bring these craft down and

3307
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:58,719
they didn't allow no it's not no no no

3308
02:06:04,310 --> 02:06:00,880
no it's not power to bring it down it's

3309
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:04,320
not a ray gun it's not a laser beam it's

3310
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:06,000
not something with a lot of energy

3311
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:08,639
involved with it it would disrupt their

3312
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:10,880
systems it would disrupt a guidance

3313
02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:13,280
system a control system

3314
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:15,199
i'm told when the brits were working on

3315
02:06:19,750 --> 02:06:17,520
radar in the early part of the war that

3316
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:19,760
there were some cars driving by every so

3317
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:21,599
often whose engines would stop they had

3318
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:23,040
no idea why

3319
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:25,119
okay now you raised another question

3320
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,280
which is we have the reports where

3321
02:06:32,229 --> 02:06:29,679
cars are impacted by the proximity of a

3322
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:32,239
ufo the engines die so is that the

3323
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:34,719
result of e.t sending down some radar

3324
02:06:38,629 --> 02:06:36,159
waves calling them radar waves

3325
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:38,639
simplifies it but i'd say why not of

3326
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:39,599
course

3327
02:06:44,149 --> 02:06:41,599
remember the classic case and where was

3328
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:44,159
it italy where there were two tractors

3329
02:06:49,109 --> 02:06:47,199
one was diesel and one was regular and

3330
02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:49,119
the diesel one kept going and the normal

3331
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,079
one with spark plugs etc stopped well of

3332
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,920
course now with volkswagen no one's

3333
02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:56,400
gonna buy a diesel equipped car anymore

3334
02:07:00,149 --> 02:06:57,679
all right but let's get back to the

3335
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:00,159
possible cause does it make any sense to

3336
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:02,239
even speculate on that we don't really

3337
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:04,400
know what might have happened if

3338
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:06,560
everything is as you state well some

3339
02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:09,360
people constantly ask me the question so

3340
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:11,840
i've got to offer an answer and i say i

3341
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:14,560
don't know i haven't seen a report i

3342
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,719
don't have access to any reports i'm

3343
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:19,040
sure there were reports made and

3344
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:21,599
investigated remember when this all

3345
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,000
happened there's some big questions what

3346
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:26,239
do these guys want working with somebody

3347
02:07:29,430 --> 02:07:27,840
on this planet they're little guys maybe

3348
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,440
they're working with the chinese what

3349
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:31,280
have they got please there are a lot of

3350
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:32,800
questions that you have to answer you

3351
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:35,040
don't do it in public remember the shape

3352
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:38,880
the world was in in 47 ron shape half of

3353
02:07:42,069 --> 02:07:40,400
europe was starving

3354
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:42,079
the marshall plane was just going to go

3355
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:44,800
into effect the cold war was heating up

3356
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:46,639
so they didn't have quick and dirty

3357
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:48,560
answers or quick and clean answers they

3358
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:50,400
didn't have any answers but we're not

3359
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:52,560
going to do it in the newspapers that

3360
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,920
kind of leads me to another question

3361
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:56,000
we're talking about possible energy

3362
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:57,599
sources uh

3363
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:59,199
having an impact

3364
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:01,440
of both from the the objects you know

3365
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:02,880
we've been discussing the other way

3366
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:04,960
around but this one comes from raven's

3367
02:08:08,950 --> 02:08:06,880
feet she wonders if ufos are simply

3368
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:08,960
sophisticated space rockets from another

3369
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:10,800
planet why do we hear so many stories

3370
02:08:16,229 --> 02:08:13,679
about ufos that have a hallucinatory or

3371
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,239
dreamlike quality or contain other high

3372
02:08:20,870 --> 02:08:18,320
strange aspects well i don't know that

3373
02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:20,880
we hear so many stories like that to say

3374
02:08:23,910 --> 02:08:22,400
that they're merely visitors from

3375
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:23,920
another planet doesn't answer the

3376
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:25,920
question of what do they want what's it

3377
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:27,360
leading toward what's their goal in

3378
02:08:31,109 --> 02:08:29,760
coming here quarantine sounds

3379
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:31,119
simple-minded

3380
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:36,560
why aliens do we don't know why we do

3381
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:39,119
what we do so there are all kinds of

3382
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:41,679
questions we can't answer one of them

3383
02:08:45,350 --> 02:08:43,599
that we can answer is there any evidence

3384
02:08:46,709 --> 02:08:45,360
that the planet's being visited by

3385
02:08:49,189 --> 02:08:46,719
intelligently controlled

3386
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:49,199
extraterrestrial vehicles yes

3387
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:50,800
does that mean i know where they're from

3388
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:52,560
and why they're here and what they want

3389
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:54,400
and how they operate no

3390
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:56,079
doesn't mean that at all

3391
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,719
gotta be aware of your ignorance that's

3392
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:01,360
how you learn something yeah it's really

3393
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that's nicely put on like yeah well

3394
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unfortunately you can apply that all

3395
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over the place

3396
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:13,360
including myself i mean i consider

3397
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myself to be fairly up to speed about a

3398
02:09:20,390 --> 02:09:18,159
lot of these subjects but when i talk to

3399
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someone like you or you know others in

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the field who have been involved a lot

3401
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longer than i have i really do feel like

3402
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a neophyte and compared to some people

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that are just you know coming into the

3404
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field i'm i'm like this you know really

3405
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knowledgeable almost expert type

3406
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so i guess everything is relative

3407
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yes well you know i'm going to kind of

3408
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go into some of my own questions here

3409
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and

3410
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sophistication of uh desktop you know

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effects processing and

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and so many people seem to be buying

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into what appear to me to be just i mean

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laughable hoaxes and people are

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constantly posting these things and

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reposting them and reposting them to me

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some of the most simple

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after effects

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impressed by this how are we going to

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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listening to the peercast

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[Music]

3537
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okay a question chris asked of our guest

3538
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this week stanton friedman stan your

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answer please well we have a real

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problem i get all kinds of people who

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think if they saw it on youtube

3542
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:12,800
it's got to be true if they see it on

3543
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the internet it's got to be true and i

3544
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would beg to differ there are no laws

3545
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against lying that's a simplistic

3546
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statement but it's true

3547
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or being wrong

3548
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but there are plenty of people who take

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love to get the attention of having

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their ideas being

3551
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reproduced so to speak repeated

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and it is a problem

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you got to have a big filter ready to go

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and you also have to have a box that

3555
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says

3556
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not enough data

3557
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everybody wants me to give a yes or no

3558
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:46,400
to every question and i say i don't have

3559
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enough data to give you a scientific

3560
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viewpoint

3561
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and i'm not a fiction writer i i am not

3562
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interested in fictional things i mean i

3563
02:15:59,589 --> 02:15:57,280
yeah i have to speculate too because

3564
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:59,599
somebody wants what possible explanation

3565
02:16:04,229 --> 02:16:01,520
could there be you know

3566
02:16:05,270 --> 02:16:04,239
but the the usual response at my

3567
02:16:07,830 --> 02:16:05,280
lectures

3568
02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:07,840
over 700 to date in 50 states 18

3569
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:09,920
countries 10 provinces you know so i get

3570
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,800
around

3571
02:16:14,069 --> 02:16:12,400
people have no trouble accepting the

3572
02:16:16,069 --> 02:16:14,079
data charts of

3573
02:16:17,910 --> 02:16:16,079
data from the big studies and stuff like

3574
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:17,920
that what they really want to know is

3575
02:16:22,550 --> 02:16:20,639
the answers to the why questions why

3576
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,560
would aliens come here why doesn't the

3577
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:24,639
government tell us what it knows

3578
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:26,320
you know why don't they land on a white

3579
02:16:29,270 --> 02:16:27,840
house law and there are a lot of

3580
02:16:31,430 --> 02:16:29,280
questions like this

3581
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:31,440
not obviously i have to speculate to

3582
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:33,040
give answers but i try to suggest

3583
02:16:37,190 --> 02:16:34,559
reasonable ones and the usual

3584
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:37,200
responsibility is oh i hadn't thought of

3585
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,880
it that way

3586
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:40,479
which is a good response you've got

3587
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:41,840
people thinking

3588
02:16:46,230 --> 02:16:43,760
well there's hope then

3589
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,240
well yeah and and that's that's the way

3590
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,719
i see it i don't need to buy every story

3591
02:16:52,950 --> 02:16:50,719
that comes down the pike

3592
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:52,960
but i can try to because i've been asked

3593
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,639
these questions i think i've once

3594
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,080
figured out a couple years ago i'd

3595
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:58,960
answered 60 000 questions over the years

3596
02:17:01,990 --> 02:17:01,200
same ones over and over again you know

3597
02:17:03,990 --> 02:17:02,000
but

3598
02:17:06,870 --> 02:17:04,000
i've been forced to think about them in

3599
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:06,880
the way that most people haven't been

3600
02:17:11,110 --> 02:17:08,559
why should they they're not standing on

3601
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:11,120
a stage and answering questions

3602
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:13,040
and i can't say i'll get back to you

3603
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:15,519
tomorrow on that you know i have to have

3604
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:18,240
thought about this and give a

3605
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:21,280
quote reasonable answer right away

3606
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:23,760
so we've got a mystery here

3607
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:26,160
it's got many dimensions

3608
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:27,599
because it tells us something about

3609
02:17:30,709 --> 02:17:29,120
ourselves too

3610
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,719
why did the united states stop the

3611
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:32,240
united nations

3612
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:34,559
from setting up an organization so to

3613
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,719
speak to receive reports of ufos from

3614
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:38,880
all over the world we had hearings in

3615
02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:42,000
joseph 78 at the united nations i spoke

3616
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:43,840
to the general assembly and there were a

3617
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:45,599
number of us j helen heineck was there

3618
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,200
and other people gordon cooper the

3619
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:49,120
astronaut and so forth

3620
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:52,240
we had hearings and it was proposed

3621
02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:55,439
that there be some way to accept reports

3622
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:57,040
from all over the world the united

3623
02:18:01,910 --> 02:18:00,080
states put the kibosh on it

3624
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,920
unfortunately

3625
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:03,519
i think i think it would have been a

3626
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:05,200
good idea because

3627
02:18:08,709 --> 02:18:06,960
even though the united nations doesn't

3628
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:08,719
really speak for the planet it's as

3629
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:11,519
close as anything that that does

3630
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:13,760
you know i wonder i'd love to see an

3631
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:15,760
alien library where they list the

3632
02:18:20,389 --> 02:18:18,319
history of 100 different planets on

3633
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,399
which they went through this stage of

3634
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:22,399
too much technology and not enough

3635
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:25,120
sociology and blew themselves up or

3636
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:28,160
developed a heaven out there and a nice

3637
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:30,319
place good for people

3638
02:18:34,309 --> 02:18:32,240
i'd like to know what are the odds you

3639
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:34,319
know i we don't have any information

3640
02:18:38,150 --> 02:18:36,719
about that we don't have a lot of

3641
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:38,160
information about what happened on our

3642
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,840
own planet like i mentioned about

3643
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:41,519
schliemann

3644
02:18:45,030 --> 02:18:43,280
and you know

3645
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,040
the city of troy

3646
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:47,920
and unfortunately and we have to admit

3647
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:50,240
it disinformation is part of this game

3648
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:51,120
too

3649
02:18:54,389 --> 02:18:53,200
you know from the trojan horse on

3650
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:54,399
governments

3651
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:56,880
have been disinforming we convinced

3652
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:57,840
hitler

3653
02:19:01,030 --> 02:18:59,359
it was very important

3654
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:01,040
that during the second world war we

3655
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:03,760
convinced hitler by subtle means

3656
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:05,840
that the attack on the continent wasn't

3657
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:07,920
going to be that norm but it was going

3658
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:09,840
to be a callus

3659
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:12,000
and hitler's generals asked when when we

3660
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:14,000
did attack at normandy

3661
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,399
d-day at the beaches

3662
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:18,399
the generals asked for the reserves and

3663
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:20,960
hitler said no they're really going to

3664
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:23,120
attack down here

3665
02:19:26,629 --> 02:19:25,120
so it's pretty hard when you don't have

3666
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:26,639
the straight facts

3667
02:19:29,110 --> 02:19:27,920
and it's hard enough when you have the

3668
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:29,120
facts but when you don't have the

3669
02:19:33,270 --> 02:19:30,399
straight facts

3670
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,280
it's hard to know what's going on well

3671
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:35,359
speaking of what's going on trying to

3672
02:19:40,230 --> 02:19:37,920
figure out what's happening with ufos

3673
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:40,240
so we can pretty well be certain after

3674
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:42,080
all these years of the government is not

3675
02:19:46,709 --> 02:19:44,319
going to suddenly come out and say

3676
02:19:48,389 --> 02:19:46,719
e.t is here and maybe they won't even be

3677
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:48,399
believed anymore because we do not

3678
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,399
believe our government especially here

3679
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:53,120
in the united states okay it's just a

3680
02:19:58,309 --> 02:19:55,680
plot it's a secret way for obama to take

3681
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:58,319
control and hand it over to hillary you

3682
02:20:02,389 --> 02:20:00,479
know whatever we don't believe it so

3683
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:02,399
what do we do as

3684
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:05,200
laymen scientists individuals not part

3685
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:06,560
of the government

3686
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:07,359
to

3687
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:09,920
find the evidence of what's going on and

3688
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:11,040
deliver

3689
02:20:13,510 --> 02:20:12,160
actual

3690
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:13,520
provable

3691
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:15,760
results that even the skeptics will have

3692
02:20:20,070 --> 02:20:18,319
to admit has some credence to it

3693
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:20,080
well some skeptics will never be

3694
02:20:23,510 --> 02:20:22,080
convinced remember the basic rule is

3695
02:20:25,270 --> 02:20:23,520
there are four rules for skeptics don't

3696
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,280
bother me with the facts my mind's made

3697
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:27,600
up what the public doesn't know i'm not

3698
02:20:31,510 --> 02:20:29,600
going to tell them if you can't attack

3699
02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:31,520
the data attack the people it's easier

3700
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:33,359
and nobody will know the difference

3701
02:20:38,630 --> 02:20:36,800
and that sounds like our forms

3702
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:38,640
do your research by proclamation

3703
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:40,880
investigation is too much trouble

3704
02:20:46,070 --> 02:20:43,760
and so you know you gotta watch out when

3705
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:46,080
you're dealing with debunkers

3706
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:47,120
there's a difference between i'm a

3707
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:48,560
skeptic

3708
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:50,640
but then there are debunkers and i've

3709
02:20:55,190 --> 02:20:52,479
i've spent some time debunking the

3710
02:20:57,030 --> 02:20:55,200
debunkers talk about it in my books

3711
02:20:58,389 --> 02:20:57,040
it's a thankless job but somebody's got

3712
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:58,399
to do it

3713
02:21:00,870 --> 02:20:59,200
well

3714
02:21:02,230 --> 02:21:00,880
yeah frankly

3715
02:21:05,510 --> 02:21:02,240
anybody who expects they're going to

3716
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:05,520
convince everybody of anything is wrong

3717
02:21:10,150 --> 02:21:07,439
as far as i'm concerned

3718
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:10,160
there will always be people who won't

3719
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:13,120
accept the truth for whatever reason

3720
02:21:16,950 --> 02:21:13,840
look

3721
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:16,960
the the fundamentalists have said

3722
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:19,200
that all the intelligent life in the

3723
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:21,680
universe is here on planet earth i'm not

3724
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:23,920
sure there's any but anyway

3725
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:26,800
and that the world was created in 4004

3726
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:27,760
bc

3727
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:29,600
they want to believe that that's okay

3728
02:21:35,510 --> 02:21:33,280
with me i'm not trying to force it

3729
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:35,520
you know i'll tell you something here

3730
02:21:38,870 --> 02:21:37,280
long time ago maybe

3731
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:38,880
nine ten years ago

3732
02:21:43,349 --> 02:21:41,439
we lost a listener to the power cast

3733
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,359
because we wouldn't admit the earth was

3734
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:45,520
only 6 000 years old

3735
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:47,280
well i'm not surprised there are people

3736
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:48,880
who believe that i've met one on an

3737
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:51,040
airplane i had to put up with having

3738
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:54,080
them tell me that everything you know

3739
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:56,160
what was in the bible and he obviously

3740
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:58,720
hadn't read uh barry downing's book the

3741
02:22:02,710 --> 02:22:01,040
bible in flying saucers

3742
02:22:05,030 --> 02:22:02,720
which is well worth reading

3743
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:05,040
as far as i'm concerned anyway

3744
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:08,000
old and new testament and finds lots of

3745
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:09,680
stories that we would call flying saucer

3746
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:11,920
stories like it or not

3747
02:22:15,429 --> 02:22:13,280
and you know

3748
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:15,439
we know a lot about radioactivity and we

3749
02:22:20,830 --> 02:22:17,760
also know that our minds don't influence

3750
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:20,840
radioactivity as far as we know

3751
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:24,000
uh some people who tried found they

3752
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:25,120
couldn't

3753
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:26,479
you know you can't ward off that

3754
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:28,399
radiation by just thinking about it

3755
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:30,160
that's why i was in radiation shielding

3756
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,280
you got to do something you know

3757
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:34,880
but uh

3758
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:37,200
there are many fundamental questions

3759
02:22:43,349 --> 02:22:40,960
here where does man fit in the universe

3760
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,359
we haven't solved that problem

3761
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:45,840
we could be a penal colony they could

3762
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:47,680
have dumped all the bad boys and girls

3763
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:49,359
here and that's why we're so nasty to

3764
02:22:56,070 --> 02:22:51,359
each other when you go to australia

3765
02:22:57,910 --> 02:22:56,080
they're proud of their convict ancestors

3766
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:57,920
strangers that might sound it surprised

3767
02:23:02,830 --> 02:23:00,960
me a little bit but oh they are

3768
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:02,840
you gotta be tough to live

3769
02:23:07,830 --> 02:23:05,760
there well okay yeah

3770
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:07,840
and what i'm saying is

3771
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:10,080
the reasons for travel

3772
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:12,640
the reasons for colonizing

3773
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:15,280
you know people will say often about oh

3774
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:16,800
the west was colonized with people who

3775
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:18,479
wanted religious freedom

3776
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:20,479
most of the religious groups that came

3777
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:22,960
to north america three four hundred

3778
02:23:25,750 --> 02:23:24,319
years ago

3779
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:25,760
they were looking for freedom for

3780
02:23:32,630 --> 02:23:29,280
themselves but not for others

3781
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:32,640
you know there's a difference

3782
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:34,640
let me do my thing i don't want you

3783
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:36,560
ironic

3784
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:39,359
well but it's true yeah you know

3785
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:40,800
all right you know we're saying we're

3786
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:43,120
seeing the uh the you know attempted

3787
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:44,640
imposition of

3788
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:47,120
fairly rigid fundamentalist beliefs on

3789
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,240
the rest of us right now yeah

3790
02:23:55,590 --> 02:23:52,479
well that's right and so

3791
02:23:58,150 --> 02:23:55,600
you know we our understanding

3792
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,160
of how large groups of people act

3793
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,399
and what motivates them

3794
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:02,880
is seriously flawed

3795
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:05,439
uh we got a lot to learn

3796
02:24:09,190 --> 02:24:07,280
i mean yeah i'm a nuclear physicist who

3797
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:09,200
am i to talk about uh you know

3798
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:11,439
psychology of the masses or anything

3799
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,640
like that

3800
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:14,399
we have stanton friedman for one more

3801
02:24:17,429 --> 02:24:15,600
segment

3802
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:17,439
with gene and chris you're in a

3803
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:19,530
barricade

3804
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:28,479
[Music]

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okay stanton friedman there's been a lot

3892
02:29:00,950 --> 02:28:58,880
of

3893
02:29:03,830 --> 02:29:00,960
back and forth personal attacking in the

3894
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ufo field for years it gives a lot of

3895
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:05,359
people the perception that we're going

3896
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:06,399
nowhere

3897
02:29:10,630 --> 02:29:08,160
and everybody has their pets surrounded

3898
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:10,640
by a bunch of cat fights

3899
02:29:14,590 --> 02:29:12,800
well i as i mentioned earlier for those

3900
02:29:16,469 --> 02:29:14,600
who haven't checked out

3901
02:29:18,630 --> 02:29:16,479
forum.thepowercast.com and the

3902
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:18,640
discussions about the appearance of dr

3903
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:21,359
david jacobs believe me there were lots

3904
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:22,800
of cat fights

3905
02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:24,960
and as soon as i posed one way to test

3906
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:27,600
for dna evidence for someone who claims

3907
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:30,240
they've been sexually abused by aliens

3908
02:29:34,630 --> 02:29:32,319
one of our listeners went so ballistic

3909
02:29:38,469 --> 02:29:34,640
that that person decided never to listen

3910
02:29:39,429 --> 02:29:38,479
to us again but you get the picture stan

3911
02:29:42,630 --> 02:29:39,439
yeah

3912
02:29:45,670 --> 02:29:42,640
you know the old gaussian distribution

3913
02:29:47,910 --> 02:29:45,680
you you know the the plot of uh

3914
02:29:50,469 --> 02:29:47,920
number versus height and stuff like that

3915
02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:50,479
there's a peak and then it tails off in

3916
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:52,800
both directions you get an enormous

3917
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:55,359
range of opinions

3918
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:57,120
of actions

3919
02:30:03,349 --> 02:29:59,920
some of those good are good the extreme

3920
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:03,359
if you will extreme heroism we reward

3921
02:30:07,510 --> 02:30:05,840
people who do things that 99 of the

3922
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:07,520
people would never do

3923
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:09,920
and so you have to judge by that unusual

3924
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:10,960
event

3925
02:30:13,670 --> 02:30:12,479
you know not everybody could write like

3926
02:30:16,830 --> 02:30:13,680
mozart

3927
02:30:18,950 --> 02:30:16,840
or elton john you pick your

3928
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:18,960
own but

3929
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:21,520
we need to do more thinking about this

3930
02:30:26,070 --> 02:30:22,960
there have been some places where there

3931
02:30:28,150 --> 02:30:26,080
have been courses taught about ufos

3932
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:28,160
and i think they were enlightening to

3933
02:30:33,349 --> 02:30:31,040
the people mainly because it made people

3934
02:30:34,950 --> 02:30:33,359
realize how ignorant they were

3935
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,960
of what's gone on

3936
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:36,720
you know when the

3937
02:30:41,030 --> 02:30:38,880
english astronomer royal can say only

3938
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:41,040
kooks see ufos without having to provide

3939
02:30:45,349 --> 02:30:44,000
any evidence any reference anything

3940
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:45,359
then you know that the scientific

3941
02:30:48,950 --> 02:30:47,520
community isn't doing its job on this

3942
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:48,960
subject

3943
02:30:52,469 --> 02:30:50,479
on the other hand

3944
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:52,479
i spoke to a whole bunch of journalists

3945
02:30:56,230 --> 02:30:53,920
here in canada they were having their

3946
02:30:58,830 --> 02:30:56,240
annual gatherings in st john new

3947
02:31:01,030 --> 02:30:58,840
brunswick which is 65 miles from where i

3948
02:31:02,630 --> 02:31:01,040
live and the president of the group

3949
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:02,640
asked me if i would speak i was in the

3950
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:05,520
papers and stuff so sure why not and he

3951
02:31:09,510 --> 02:31:07,280
told me afterward

3952
02:31:12,150 --> 02:31:09,520
he'd never seen so many journalists

3953
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:12,160
change their minds so quickly about

3954
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,120
something they just hadn't been aware

3955
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,359
of all the evidence that was out there

3956
02:31:22,070 --> 02:31:19,520
that they hadn't known about

3957
02:31:23,830 --> 02:31:22,080
so i i have hope for society when a

3958
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:23,840
group like journalists

3959
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:26,000
can admit that wow

3960
02:31:30,710 --> 02:31:27,359
there's something there and i didn't

3961
02:31:32,309 --> 02:31:30,720
know about it so i i'm still an optimist

3962
02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:32,319
after all these years

3963
02:31:36,790 --> 02:31:34,160
yeah and that's amazing and that's uh

3964
02:31:39,990 --> 02:31:36,800
you know i'm at the at the risk of being

3965
02:31:40,870 --> 02:31:40,000
accused of being a an ass kisser

3966
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:40,880
uh

3967
02:31:45,349 --> 02:31:43,040
that's i'm so proud of you to be able to

3968
02:31:48,309 --> 02:31:45,359
say that stan really i mean you you've

3969
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:48,319
been doing this 40 plus years 50 years

3970
02:31:53,110 --> 02:31:51,040
and to be able to say that is is that

3971
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:53,120
gives me hope and i hope it gives our

3972
02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:54,960
listeners hope as well

3973
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:57,359
well good i'm glad i want to give people

3974
02:32:02,309 --> 02:32:00,560
hope because i am basically an optimist

3975
02:32:05,510 --> 02:32:02,319
just because there are foolish

3976
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:05,520
astronomers who say foolish things

3977
02:32:10,710 --> 02:32:07,840
doesn't mean all astronomers are foolish

3978
02:32:13,349 --> 02:32:10,720
or everybody is saying foolish things

3979
02:32:16,150 --> 02:32:13,359
you know so that's part of my job to

3980
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:16,160
enlighten but with facts and data that's

3981
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:17,920
where the physicist comes from what

3982
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:20,240
about ideas to set up some kind of

3983
02:32:24,469 --> 02:32:22,160
monitoring station

3984
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:24,479
like there's this ufo data proposal that

3985
02:32:27,590 --> 02:32:26,720
just came out recently in connection

3986
02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:27,600
with

3987
02:32:32,150 --> 02:32:30,640
one of the organizations that follow

3988
02:32:34,950 --> 02:32:32,160
ufos

3989
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:34,960
yes i read about that and i thought you

3990
02:32:40,070 --> 02:32:37,439
know if we put our minds to it and could

3991
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:40,080
raise the money the ufo dated something

3992
02:32:44,469 --> 02:32:42,399
i forget what the title was but leslie

3993
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:44,479
kane who's written an excellent book

3994
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:46,640
about ufo sightings and generals tell

3995
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:49,840
their story and pilots and so forth sure

3996
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:52,399
i think that might work what is really

3997
02:32:56,790 --> 02:32:54,479
strange and maybe that was stimulated by

3998
02:32:58,469 --> 02:32:56,800
the fact that this russian billionaire a

3999
02:33:00,870 --> 02:32:58,479
russian billionaire

4000
02:33:03,830 --> 02:33:00,880
yuri milner has announced that he was

4001
02:33:07,830 --> 02:33:03,840
going to put a hundred million dollars

4002
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:07,840
over 10 years right into basically seti

4003
02:33:12,550 --> 02:33:10,399
kind of work silly effort to investigate

4004
02:33:14,309 --> 02:33:12,560
s-e-t yeah that's like throwing good

4005
02:33:16,790 --> 02:33:14,319
money after bad i mean they they've

4006
02:33:18,950 --> 02:33:16,800
really got to ramp up that that uh

4007
02:33:21,429 --> 02:33:18,960
you know that approach i think

4008
02:33:23,830 --> 02:33:21,439
well what i'm that what that does do is

4009
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:23,840
sort of make it respectable yeah and

4010
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:25,520
maybe we can ride piggyback on the

4011
02:33:29,270 --> 02:33:27,680
notion that you know it is respectable

4012
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:29,280
to talk about this

4013
02:33:33,990 --> 02:33:31,920
and i think uh leslie's

4014
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:34,000
announcement about trying to get started

4015
02:33:36,630 --> 02:33:35,840
crowdfunding what do you i don't know

4016
02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:36,640
right

4017
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:38,960
yeah crowdfunding terminology might be a

4018
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:41,920
way to do that and getting data

4019
02:33:45,429 --> 02:33:43,600
you know it took a while to get data to

4020
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:45,439
prove there were meteors

4021
02:33:47,990 --> 02:33:46,720
that there were rocks in the sky

4022
02:33:49,510 --> 02:33:48,000
everybody knows there's no rocks in the

4023
02:33:51,990 --> 02:33:49,520
sky so how could they come down from the

4024
02:33:53,429 --> 02:33:52,000
sky you know but that was the attitude

4025
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:53,439
and finally

4026
02:33:57,030 --> 02:33:55,040
some happened in places and they were

4027
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:57,040
able to get samples and analyze them and

4028
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:00,399
stuff most great scientific discoveries

4029
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:02,800
are made by accident

4030
02:34:07,429 --> 02:34:05,200
you know penicillin he wasn't looking

4031
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:07,439
for it he's almost wasn't fleming

4032
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:10,479
whatever his name is uh the the san luis

4033
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:12,560
valley camera project i have you know i

4034
02:34:15,349 --> 02:34:14,080
feel real positive about the

4035
02:34:17,349 --> 02:34:15,359
possibilities

4036
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:17,359
of actually obtaining some hard data

4037
02:34:22,870 --> 02:34:20,160
that we can we can analyze uh

4038
02:34:25,270 --> 02:34:22,880
because it's unassailable data it's data

4039
02:34:27,830 --> 02:34:25,280
that's properly gathered and and there's

4040
02:34:29,590 --> 02:34:27,840
an evidence chain that could be you know

4041
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:29,600
easily documented

4042
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:31,840
but i gotta ask this one last question

4043
02:34:36,469 --> 02:34:34,399
here and i know it's off topic but

4044
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:36,479
wade is one of our you know premier

4045
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:39,600
posters and he's just posted his four

4046
02:34:43,270 --> 02:34:40,560
thousand

4047
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:43,280
and first post and this

4048
02:34:47,429 --> 02:34:44,960
wow

4049
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:47,439
he gets a gold stamp if he posts another

4050
02:34:50,630 --> 02:34:48,560
thousand

4051
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:50,640
wade's a a big fan of our show and also

4052
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:52,319
dark matters uh

4053
02:34:57,429 --> 02:34:55,200
the the don echo show are you happy with

4054
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:57,439
the trudeau election win in bringing

4055
02:35:01,990 --> 02:34:59,520
back the sunny ways approach of sir

4056
02:35:02,950 --> 02:35:02,000
wilford laurier

4057
02:35:04,710 --> 02:35:02,960
well

4058
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:04,720
i'll tell you i was a little surprised

4059
02:35:10,630 --> 02:35:07,520
about how completely the and the trudeau

4060
02:35:12,710 --> 02:35:10,640
lights if you will the liberal party

4061
02:35:15,030 --> 02:35:12,720
uh knocked off the conservatives in

4062
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:15,040
canada it was a much more overwhelming

4063
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:17,359
victory than i expected i knew yeah well

4064
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:18,800
it sounds like we might have bernie

4065
02:35:23,510 --> 02:35:22,000
sanders to contend with next year well i

4066
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:23,520
i was going to say

4067
02:35:26,469 --> 02:35:25,520
when i looked again and i realized that

4068
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:26,479
one of the problems with the

4069
02:35:30,870 --> 02:35:29,280
conservatives they they ran silly ads

4070
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:30,880
about trudeau

4071
02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:32,640
talking about his hair

4072
02:35:38,070 --> 02:35:35,359
and he's just not ready they were had no

4073
02:35:40,070 --> 02:35:38,080
substance to them and i think the public

4074
02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:40,080
is too smart for that the turnout this

4075
02:35:43,190 --> 02:35:42,000
year was much higher than the last

4076
02:35:46,070 --> 02:35:43,200
election

4077
02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:46,080
in canada so i'm waiting to see i'm not

4078
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:47,840
telling you who i voted for

4079
02:35:52,070 --> 02:35:49,920
uh and trudeau's name means a lot in

4080
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:52,080
this country obviously

4081
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:54,640
but i think there's more to the man

4082
02:35:58,230 --> 02:35:56,479
than we saw from the conservative

4083
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:58,240
viewpoint

4084
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,960
a lot more to him so if the country gets

4085
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:02,800
behind them and says you know it's time

4086
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:05,200
for a change and let's get with it i

4087
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:07,040
think that's a good thing

4088
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:09,439
and you know canada is a strange country

4089
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:11,359
and many americans don't realize there

4090
02:36:16,630 --> 02:36:13,359
are fewer people in canada than there

4091
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:16,640
are in california yeah but canada is

4092
02:36:22,070 --> 02:36:19,760
larger than the united states yep

4093
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,080
and so that makes for you know some

4094
02:36:26,870 --> 02:36:24,880
strange things how do we keep pace with

4095
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:26,880
our neighbors i'm a dual citizen i can

4096
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:29,359
complain about both governments

4097
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:31,200
well that must feel really good because

4098
02:36:35,429 --> 02:36:33,280
when one government does the right thing

4099
02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:35,439
you can bet that the other government

4100
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,960
will do the wrong thing

4101
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:38,640
tell you what stanton friedman please

4102
02:36:42,630 --> 02:36:40,319
tell our listeners where they can find

4103
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:42,640
more of the stuff that you do

4104
02:36:47,910 --> 02:36:44,960
well yeah the simplest thing is my

4105
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:47,920
website triple w dot stanton friedman

4106
02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:53,120
that's i f r i e d m a n dot com

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and it lists all my books and if you buy

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from me as opposed to amazon you get an

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autograph i autograph my books

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personally and there's nobody doing it

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for me you know who can simulate my

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signature which is probably easy but

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i autographed them all

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and you can get them through paypal

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and that includes the dvds

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uh instantly people curious about

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roswell there is a dvd recollections of

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roswell

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that has

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testimony from more than 20 first-hand

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witnesses all of whom are now deceased

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so you can't re-interview them you also

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wrote the foreword for a new book called

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how to talk to an alien we're going to

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explore that in the next few weeks we

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can tell our listeners also you can find

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unlike that well-worn phrase we also

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thank you for joining us on the power

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